who said I am QQ'n I am giving helpful advice to the support players who think they cant get out of the trenches because of their role
do all your "advice" comments in one thread and call it an advice thread then... nobody wants to see 10 shitty threads
Yeah, its also about buying the flying courier, smokes, sentry wards, dust, and brown boots at the "insert double digit number" minute mark.
:S
ooo my.........................................................buying items is like 10% of the job :S
Not when your team constantly chat wheels we need wards. I'll never get my Jordans now!!! roflll
nononono
no
I have seen people dying in the enemy fountain and bitching about the lack of wards
( ok maybe that was an exageration )
(maybe )
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"If your team is actually complaining from a lack of wards, you just failed at supporting."
"people dying in the enemy fountain and bitching about the lack of wards" Those people are not team, they are scum.
Nahh, just one guy, not the team. My friend who usually plays mid and complains about everything. If getting fountain farmed I try to smoke myself and go tp to an outer tower
Sampson hasn't played a support in like 6 pages of games, probably more but I'm not looking back further than that.
look at all the people I play with, all support players why would we group up and all go support? I played enough support in dota 1 to know it does not suit my playstyle
trust gamps man, he's the best at everythin he says and knows his shit
even though he doesn't prove it
he knows it.
Lol I love when someone gets so enraged at the truth that they begin to e-stalk my threads it proves my point even more :)
Support in bottom tier is spamming wards, helping guys who cant LH or take advantage of stun/disable (and if they do they brag about it) and being flamed a lot if you die or don't have wards where everyone wants then when you do support well (for the tier) no one notices <3 still its gotta be done but i can see why no one generally picks supports
(not saying im a good support before you get your panties in a bunch :D)
someone posts on your thread = e-stalk
said, e-stalk = proves your point?
stereotypically degrading bro
If you're not feeding as a support, you're not doing your job.
You need to create space so that the carry can farm. That's why Feed Maiden is such a good support.
Kappa.
@Osiris
Why do you even bother buying wards in bottom tier? People remain just as blind with or without them.
i play support a lot and i rarely ever get flame at... i must be doing something right o.O. I think the only thing i don't do as a support is deward...
@frostychee
I remember one match I asked one of the supports to rotate mid to gank (they had a trilane against a zoned out BH) at he flipped out at me saying 'why would I gank mid? are you losing the lane or something?'
I said it because the other teams mid was playing pretty high up on the river and I felt it was a easy gank rotation but in his mind supports are only ward bots -_-
The only way supports get gold is thru kills and towers. I can see if the lane is heavily contested, then yea stay and make sure your farmer is getting cs, but otherwise leave and make shit happen.
I guess this depends on what hero you are, but thats why the heros i play pretty often are ones that can do shit at level 3. CM/Lion/Disraptor I've been playing a lot recently.
I know you always say you hate supports who just stand behind you in lane, but pullers just for the sake of pulling are bad too. The only real reason to pull is to get lane control back. Single pull for the double push is too complicated for most pubs.
I hate supports who pull and make you tank two creep waves in a row.
I hate supports who sit in lane with you just to deny creeps.
I hate supports who sit in lane with you soaking exp even when the enemy offlane is missing.
I hate supports who attack the enemy offlane and pull the entire enemy creep wave onto them, ruining creep equilibrium.
I hate supports who only know how to ward the river.
I hate supports who go to ward when the entire enemy team is missing, resulting in them getting picked off.
I hate supports who don't know how to smoke gank.
I hate supports who don't know how to stack jungle camps other than the pull camp.
I hate supports who prioritize buying their "next big item" instead of wards and detection.
I hate supports who don't know how to place situational wards (ie, behind towers) to give vision of an upcoming teamfight.
and the thing I hate most:
supports who don't deward the pull camp and then complain that they are dirt broke, and that they are solo support and have no gold to buy anything.
"supports who don't deward the pull camp and then complain that they are dirt broke, and that they are solo support and have no gold to buy anything."
but the pull camp isn't for gold, its only for lane control. lol all of your other points were valid, but this one straight up isnt.
^^ exactly the reason i stopped playing supporting heroes, due to 0 coordination with brain damaged players, who don't got a clue about ganking, roaming , supporting and other shit.
what i dont understand is why you guys think that a 4k or 3k support player should know how to do this stuffs, if people fail even at carry and mid why woudnt they fail at support if support is the hardest role in dota ?
I understand if you get mad at a support player who is awful and blames the team but why would you flame someone for being just bad ?
What kind of idiot would flame a support for being bad at the role when almost no one ( including 99 % of the people who posted here ) knows how to do it right ?
^ everything's relative man.
Everyone's expectation/knowledge is on whatever level they play/know. Obviously, the only players "supporting right" are the ones who are pro or are in the 6k of mmr, but we all do what we think is right at our play capacity.
Pretty much everything said on these forums applies to this too.
@Dorkly
all of this information is available on youtube and I highly doubt you would not give the same reaction to carry players who sit and auto attack the creep wave
If you dont know what to do then look it up......
Well, Rambo up there is 5k something I think, so if he doesn't get a support who knows that shit up there, then that player is a guaranteed deadweight for his team and a sac of gold for the enemy. A support player in lower ranges can get away with not doing some of what he posted, because it's working for those ranges or at least not ruining those games, but keeping in mind that it's still far from ideal.
Which is why I didn't write "a lot" in my post above :P
Meh, it still looks weird. I meant that you can get away with not doing a few of them. How much is "a few"? Depends on the MMR
its kinda a snowball effect, when the support messes up pulls it makes a weaker carry player have a much harder time getting last hits same thing with mid when they dont rotate to gank.
a good support player can make a shitty carry player look amazing
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Is more than buying wards.......