I wondered it was you or that x6 copycat dude, so confusing
i'm not talking about the comment above me btw, the one of 15 hours ago
But DUDE, this thread is not about me feeling i belong higher or me thinking i'm good
It's about the FACT that 3,5k is not bad relative to the whole player base
Just like living in a dumpster is not terrible if all you have in the nearest 10 miles are dumpsters....
I am not degrading players by any means but the plays that go on there are at best painful as balls to watch and I sadly have the hardest time playing with 3 to low end 4K player due to this reason.
> Poor item choices.
> Bad gaming concepts (e.g. Lone Druid and Brewmaster are good late game carries)
> Decision making sucks and usually costs games
....honestly the worst of all is positioning, I lose my voice telling 2-3 players where to stand and move constantly and there is a distinct lack of objective. This thing is most common when playing with 3K's
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
Stuff like that is just the average player, they lack objective and kinda wander around and anything remotely time impacting or involving accurate execution falls apart, hence why they're 3k.
Nice and sometimes good players but just lacking in small things that hurt them in game.
finally someone expressing my rage!!!!!!!!
what havoc said about go and back... people are so fucvking slow and bad
i can calculate how much it takes to get to a fight just watching the minimap hence so many go but people are like coming and shit omg and idk use stop or farm 1 more creep and fuck the whole shit up
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
In all seriousness though, I actually happen to agree strongly with the OP. His study is flawed obviously and his idea that he can compare his own abilities across to varied games is kinda dumb BUT at it's core he has some validity. The thing is, as many people have said, Dotabuff attracts elites, as does dota2toplist.
Fact;
Before Ranked MMR came out, Valve stated that the average "hidden" MMR was 2250.
Fact 2;
Valve stated they expected a rise in this average when Ranked did come out to represent the increased level of try hard.
Now problems arise when trying to calculate this true average due to smurfs, account buyers and the like but I honestly doubt the average would have risen by much. I genuinely expect the average MMR to be about 2500, therefore 3500 COULD represent the top 20%. Remember now, there are 7 million players (I think) - this will include children, casuals and people that really aren't that good heck my ex made an account to play, she was utter terrible yet she still counts as a player.
Vanguard purchases account for 50% of 2-3k mistakes
imo, Undying, spectre, razor, viper, batrider, slardar, clockwerk, and especialy am have no business buying it
Or any other hero except maybe bb or axe, those just came to mind first
This was 4k~ MM (not sure where I was floating at the time
I was forced offlane and I needed to bulk up fast and deal with lane harassment
I really really hate when low tier players act like vangard is a completely worthless item, it has its situations and once you accept that you might become a decent player. Keep in mind that I have gotten vangard on viper once in like the last 30 matches BUT saying you have 'business buying it' is just retarded
Thanks for being toxic and childish. Vanguard is a waste 99% of the time. Its like aghanims, there is something else you should be buying in most cases.
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
reposted for emphasis
Srsly people in 2k have the worst positioning. Like one stays mid, all enemies are missing, i ping him, dies 10 sec after blames me. Well gg
Also going alone into 3 enemies just to take one with you and feed them more seems pretty ok to them.
it depends on the match, that is how dota works. There are games I go sheep stick on BH there are games I go Abysal there are games I go orchid there are games I go medallion etc.
You cant say a item is worthless if you dont take context into consideration.
If you want early game tankiness, I would get drum or even a point booster, because those are more relevant for longer. I don't see why you chose vanguard.
lane sustainability. It can cripple your GPM if you have to run back and forth to fountain and it also creates space for the other team. It is one of those items you dont want to get BUT if the situation comes up and you dont get it you can hold back your team substantially
3k is pretty trash, heck 4k is pretty trash compared to those who play professionally. 4k is good for pub, 3k is you understand the game, but you should probably play support.
You may be right about the top 20%. But please don't forget what the other 80% are: People who almost never play dota, smurfs, abandoned accounts and stuff. Anyone who frequently plays dota should get to at least 4k.
@Chronic
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OK, plebs are putting the stats of my top heroes on this thread to prove 3k is trash #ninj_a
Lel
Yes 3k is bad, for everyone that is 4k+ i agree, you can say that.
Imagine this forum would be full of pro players, they can say anything but themselves is bad. They arent even wrong.
So, everyone posting here sucks, considering there are better players in the world.
But, if you're better than 80% of all players?
Doesnt matter in what game that is
No outsider would call you ''trash''.
Yeah there is no way of denying that, for a outsider being in the top 20-30 % in a videogame is anything except trash, but be aware that dota is a really hard game so at 3k you know like, 40 % of the game ?
ı dont think 3k trash.ı think 4k trash.because they dont know smoke.ı buy smoke no one comes.or 1 person comes.bullshit.what mmr u talking about %99 dota players are trash.ı watch live games.they 5k-6k.NO DİFFERENCE.sad but true.if u think up mmr better game..keep dreaming..
I'm one of those "3k scrubs" and platinum league games are ez mode
so 3k in dota is like gold in lol? Or is it something that i don't get?
<3 Vaeldithia trashtalking, hhhh
If u r gold in LOL that means u r better than a lot of 10 year olds and idiots, i dont see the logic here
3k is trash and i'm on 3k
I'm trash
BLUNT
L O L
I wondered it was you or that x6 copycat dude, so confusing
i'm not talking about the comment above me btw, the one of 15 hours ago
But DUDE, this thread is not about me feeling i belong higher or me thinking i'm good
It's about the FACT that 3,5k is not bad relative to the whole player base
Just like living in a dumpster is not terrible if all you have in the nearest 10 miles are dumpsters....
I am not degrading players by any means but the plays that go on there are at best painful as balls to watch and I sadly have the hardest time playing with 3 to low end 4K player due to this reason.
> Poor item choices.
> Bad gaming concepts (e.g. Lone Druid and Brewmaster are good late game carries)
> Decision making sucks and usually costs games
....honestly the worst of all is positioning, I lose my voice telling 2-3 players where to stand and move constantly and there is a distinct lack of objective. This thing is most common when playing with 3K's
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
Stuff like that is just the average player, they lack objective and kinda wander around and anything remotely time impacting or involving accurate execution falls apart, hence why they're 3k.
Nice and sometimes good players but just lacking in small things that hurt them in game.
finally someone expressing my rage!!!!!!!!
what havoc said about go and back... people are so fucvking slow and bad
i can calculate how much it takes to get to a fight just watching the minimap hence so many go but people are like coming and shit omg and idk use stop or farm 1 more creep and fuck the whole shit up
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
reposted this for emphasis
http://dotabuff.com/matches/792632954
3k mmr at its finest.
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
Also reposted for emphasis
In all seriousness though, I actually happen to agree strongly with the OP. His study is flawed obviously and his idea that he can compare his own abilities across to varied games is kinda dumb BUT at it's core he has some validity. The thing is, as many people have said, Dotabuff attracts elites, as does dota2toplist.
Fact;
Before Ranked MMR came out, Valve stated that the average "hidden" MMR was 2250.
Fact 2;
Valve stated they expected a rise in this average when Ranked did come out to represent the increased level of try hard.
Now problems arise when trying to calculate this true average due to smurfs, account buyers and the like but I honestly doubt the average would have risen by much. I genuinely expect the average MMR to be about 2500, therefore 3500 COULD represent the top 20%. Remember now, there are 7 million players (I think) - this will include children, casuals and people that really aren't that good heck my ex made an account to play, she was utter terrible yet she still counts as a player.
Vanguard purchases account for 50% of 2-3k mistakes
imo, Undying, spectre, razor, viper, batrider, slardar, clockwerk, and especialy am have no business buying it
Or any other hero except maybe bb or axe, those just came to mind first
http://dotabuff.com/matches/605926445
This was 4k~ MM (not sure where I was floating at the time
I was forced offlane and I needed to bulk up fast and deal with lane harassment
I really really hate when low tier players act like vangard is a completely worthless item, it has its situations and once you accept that you might become a decent player. Keep in mind that I have gotten vangard on viper once in like the last 30 matches BUT saying you have 'business buying it' is just retarded
Thanks for being toxic and childish. Vanguard is a waste 99% of the time. Its like aghanims, there is something else you should be buying in most cases.
^ please stop you are making yourself look worse and worse
http://dotabuff.com/players/81406863/matches?date=&faction=&hero=viper&lobby_type=&game_mode=®ion=&duration=
OP is right, 3k isn't trash. 4k is trash. 3k is utter garbage
I meant aghanims in general, not on viper. Aghas is good on viper. I meant aghs rush zeus and such
Me: Go in
Them: Coming
Me: Coming? You should be ready, it's too late back off now.
Them: I went in and died, you left me.
Me: No I said go in, the chance past so I went back. You have to be ready as you have a split second to make these calls.
Them: But you said go so I went in and died.
reposted for emphasis
Srsly people in 2k have the worst positioning. Like one stays mid, all enemies are missing, i ping him, dies 10 sec after blames me. Well gg
Also going alone into 3 enemies just to take one with you and feed them more seems pretty ok to them.
@Chronic
it depends on the match, that is how dota works. There are games I go sheep stick on BH there are games I go Abysal there are games I go orchid there are games I go medallion etc.
You cant say a item is worthless if you dont take context into consideration.
If you want early game tankiness, I would get drum or even a point booster, because those are more relevant for longer. I don't see why you chose vanguard.
tlnr, 3.5k pro league ,sure
Lmao
@Chronic
lane sustainability. It can cripple your GPM if you have to run back and forth to fountain and it also creates space for the other team. It is one of those items you dont want to get BUT if the situation comes up and you dont get it you can hold back your team substantially
3k is pretty trash, heck 4k is pretty trash compared to those who play professionally. 4k is good for pub, 3k is you understand the game, but you should probably play support.
Most player heroes:
Pudge
37 29.73% 2.59
Meepo
32 28.13% 1.44
3k is trash bro
I'm 3k player and can confirm this
you can call 3k trash all you want, because it is trash
STILL 3k-- is 75 % dota players, so being better than 75 % in a videogame is still pretty high ( more or less 75 % in my opinion )
This forum IS full of nerds so its normal that the forum average is WAYYY higher than the actual average.
You guys need to remenber that most dota players are casuals that doesnt search for videos or forums or shit. They just play the videogame.
Why [Img][/Img] is not working ? :/
anti white knight feature
One day without connecting and the forum goes crazy
tsc
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EDIT : I don't know if this would change it but I do [Img][/img] (lowercase "i")
Does DB use XHTML?
If not, you don't even need [/img] at the end
You may be right about the top 20%. But please don't forget what the other 80% are: People who almost never play dota, smurfs, abandoned accounts and stuff. Anyone who frequently plays dota should get to at least 4k.
@Chronic
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"Anyone who frequently plays dota" and its interested about the game and cares about getting better
OK, plebs are putting the stats of my top heroes on this thread to prove 3k is trash #ninj_a
Lel
Yes 3k is bad, for everyone that is 4k+ i agree, you can say that.
Imagine this forum would be full of pro players, they can say anything but themselves is bad. They arent even wrong.
So, everyone posting here sucks, considering there are better players in the world.
But, if you're better than 80% of all players?
Doesnt matter in what game that is
No outsider would call you ''trash''.
Yeah there is no way of denying that, for a outsider being in the top 20-30 % in a videogame is anything except trash, but be aware that dota is a really hard game so at 3k you know like, 40 % of the game ?
you guys are forgetting the traders
they are part of the dota 2 community
hats yo
ı dont think 3k trash.ı think 4k trash.because they dont know smoke.ı buy smoke no one comes.or 1 person comes.bullshit.what mmr u talking about %99 dota players are trash.ı watch live games.they 5k-6k.NO DİFFERENCE.sad but true.if u think up mmr better game..keep dreaming..