[color=#ee82ee]Sniper would easily just kited him with Skadi. Whenever I play vs Terrorblade I never see him have high impact fight-wise, however he take all my towers. When he first get items he tend to just die anyway. Only usefulness I've seen him do is pushing towers. (most of the time)[/color]
In my opinion Terror would be weak against nuker early game, for example: Lina/Timber/Lion because of his low health and against cleave/spread attack late game, for example: sven/medusa/gyro
The range on Terrorblade's abilities is pretty low though. Viper with aghas + DPS may be able to kite him. Get an orchid so he can't Sunder just before you kill him.
I guess Sniper with Abyssal Blade, Mjollnir/MKB, Butterfly, Daedalus will be fine. 2.4s stun how you going to sunder out of that?
Sunder is great if you aren't stunned or silenced.
I'm not exactly a high tier player myself, but I've been using TB a lot and winning quite a bit of non-ranked games (19 wins out of 22 tb games, with 2 abandon teammates in the 3 loss) solo que/stack with 1-2 friend (or not exactly stack since my friend is not that good)
But I'll sum it up for you, TB's str lies in split pushing 2 lanes at once with his conjure image and manta in mid-game and they usually have to commit 1 hero per lane to def against his push. If they decide to ignore you and go 5v4 against your teammates then you would be able to raze down their towers easily with 2 conjure images, 2 manta images and yourself in meta form + drums activated.
It would be wise for your 4 teammates not to commit to fights completely but try to delay them and bait them into trying to start a fight with your team to create big spaces for you to push.
There's 3 main problems I face:
1. Sunder cast animation too slow, most of the time before I successfully swap souls with an opponent Lion etc I would be stunned and hexed first before I manage to finish casting the spell.
2. Pick Offs > Split pushers, I'm always split pushing alone so the best method that opponents have found to picked me off was to use heroes like NA to hunt me and burst me down (especially when I have only 1 illusion out and it's easy for them to tell which is the real one). Best success is to catch me off guard, eg. blinking CW and burst me down with 1 more hero before I can do anything. TB is generally quite fragile even with manta drums and easy to burst down given the right heroes.
3. Team Fights, especially when I see heroes like warlock etc and my team doesn't have good team fight heroes. I'm not going to join my team and push together in one lane ... TB is just bad for teamfights unless you go bkb because eg. warlock golem drops down they'll know which is the real TB and focus you down fast (plus the illusions will probably drop to 1/3 life from that golem impact alone). Plus the Sunder slow cast animation is a big problem too, without bkb a good team would not give you time to cast it in a team fight.
You shouldn't think about how to out carry TB late game, but how to shut him down early so that he's useless. Just keep picking him off with heroes like NA and he shouldn't be able to carry his team during mid-game. Mostly hero lineup to lock him down in a fight/pick him off.
That's true, if ursa stack enough dmg then used abbyssal blade + overpower on him right before TB could sunder his burst would be insane, probably more than enough to keep from being sundered.
Also I'll bet axe has a good win rate cus he does culling blade before TB remembers to use sunder.
but really he falls into a similar category as spectre. although he has better lane control with metamorphosis on, when it's off it's pretty damn weak. hes also got some pretty crappy starting stats/tankiness.
best way ive found to deal with him is to put pressure on him in the time he's not able to afk farm. follow him around if ur a support, push his lane in and ward up his jungle and you should be fine. but trying to outcarry this guy wont work. so tl;dr either pick him off repeatedly or push down all his towers and then starve his team to death since he's useless in that early time period.
btw 6 slotted gyro/dusa can probably do the trick since if your team has any form of control (be it sheeps and stuff) both of those guys can essentially isolate the tb with their massive teamfight dps. same could theoretically go for spectre. legion is also great against him since you always get your blink before he gets his radiance and can follow him around and get fed off of him. legions ulti also prevents him from sundering so thats great too.
Terrorblade can come back from being down 2 lanes of rax and a 15k gold deficit... enemy team got complacent and stalled, got ratted by six-slotted TB pushing 3 lanes.
Push early with a hero who can wipe illusions easily (Kunkka, Sven etc). TB is notoriously bad at defending, and relies heavily on forcing the opponents to respond to his split push - if you have a support/core who can easily wipe out his illusions it will be alot easier to push against him.
TB with just Drums and Manta can down a full hp tower in around 15 seconds.
CK is confirmed to dominate TB 1v1.
Void can also kill TB as long as he can get the Chrono off, If TB gets a Scythe of Vyse he can kill Void in the duration.
CK and Void are terrible heroes for dealing with TB, even in a 1v1.
CK has no way of identifying which is the real one, and is unable to deal with evasion unless he goes for an MKB, which is a terrible item on him in general. Furthermore having so many illusions on the field means that even if he gets TB low, there will be no lack of sunder choices.
Void fares slightly better, but needs Chrono to actually deal with TB. Furthermore if he doesn't manage to finish TB off in the duration of Chrono (3k+ hp and 40+ armour late game, even with evasion disabled in Chrono), he is guaranteed to lose. A good TB shouldn't even be in the front lines, and just needs to keep the pressure on all lanes by split-pushing, which Void isn't good at dealing with.
And let's not forget how powerful Reflection is in a 1v1 fight late game.
If the game goes late enough TB can backdoor alot more effectively. His illusions are on-demand and deal substantially more damage as compared to PL who needs a wave of creeps to create an army which doesn't even scale as well as TB's. 3 of PL's illusions do the same damage % of one of TB's illusion while taking 350% damage compared to TB's 200%. TB also tends to build tankier than PL - his illusions are practically impossible for supports to clear alone, whereas something like Lina can fare better against an army of illusions. A typical TB with Manta and Skadi has illusions requiring over 1.4k magical damage to kill after the 25% reduction. A typical PL with Manta and Heart has illusions that require under 1k magical damage BEFORE reduction.
On the flip side Lion does fare better against TB thanks to being able to insta-gib illusions with mana drain.
but its not like these carries have to kill TB directly, theres so many ways of dealing with him if hes farmed, ex mass focus, hexes, and heroes like gyro/dusa that kill off tb's supports.
if you play bounty hunter as a carry with battle fury, you can probably get 3~ divine rapiers in maybe 20 minutes and then you can sneak up to the real TB and one hit him hahaahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bit of advice - don't go radiance build if ur team really sucks and can't 4v4 for 20 minutes (key word is 4v4, cuz the other team usually has a jungling lycan or something that never shows up)
i've lost most of my games today going the radiance build, cuz i saw some people do it. team can't 4v5 for 20 minutes lol. i should have just stuck with drums/manta/skadi
How is TB the hardest carry in the game? He's alright in 1 v 1, he's good at splitpushing with metamorph/radiance, but hardest carry in dota 2? no way. I've outcarried TB with naga, clinkz, lifestealer and slark. He can carry don't get me wrong but his abilities besides morph and sunder aren't very good
Conjure image is the strongest non-ultimate illusion in the game with one of the least damage amplification. His strength is in his ability to use farm extremely efficiently. I've easily out carried all the heroes you mentioned over the last week of non-stop terrorblade. Naga cannot outpush TB and the other 3 heroes you mentioned are even worse. A competent TB will easily destroy those heroes with equal or less farm, and a TB with map control will easily exceed 700 gpm without having to spend money on farm accelerators. By 35-40 minutes he has a physical damage output of 3000dps with meta up, along with conjure/manta illusions. No other hero comes even close.
Since 6.43b and the days of soulsteal he was regarded as the hardest carry in the game. 8 years and tons of changes later, in the current meta, he is still easily one of the hardest carries in the game.
Don't forget that carrying isn't just about 1v1 or killing heroes. Aside from the fact that he would win practically any 1v1, his ability to destroy buildings safely late is unmatched. Four illusions can outdamage backdoor regen and take down a tower easily.
A testament to his strength as a carry is his 56% win rate in Very High games. I would not be surprised if he was nerfed slightly before being added to cm.
A player that can do what you stated can do the same with Naga and PL. His tanky illusions cost him the quantity of illusions of other illusion heroes.
Only alright in 1v1? Dude he is one of the hardest carry if not the hardest. I don't want to provide a wall of text to explain it but the main reason is his skill sets "scale" very well late game. Of course you can outcarry a terrorblade as a naga, clinkz, stealer, slark like you mentioned if things dont go well for him or team when team is fed.
However what I am saying is if given equal farm, terrorblade is possibly the hardest carry. His reflection is op because it scales late game and also reduces attack speed 65%. He has very high total damage output and focus fire due to his metamorphosis illusions. And finally sunder if things are not going your way.
Spectre cannot manmode simply because TB is tankier and has a far higher damage output. Furthermore TB just needs to push against spec. This is ignoring, of course, that TB naturally farms faster to begin with, has far superior stat gain and better scaling. Spec's strength has always been mainly in being able to kill supports first.
The difference is that PL and Naga take very long to come online. Their illusions are unable to generate sustainable farm until they get Radiance or significant stats. I used to love playing PL but TB comes online way faster and is less dependent on having a very good laning stage. TB also has significant kill potential in lane, whereas a Naga going for illusions early sacrifices levels in ensnare, forcing her to play passively.
Tell me how he's one of the best 1 v 1 against other carries such as PL. And I wouldn't consider one sided games as outcarrying, they were moderately close. I don't see how he's one of the hardest carries in the game, I agree that he's an AMAZING carry that can splitpush, but he is not the hardest carry IN Dota 2, or in 1 v 1.
Honestly I think a void can just destroy terrorblade. If void isn't allowed to use chrono then TB isn't allowed to use sunder, but honestly a void with a battlefury and maelstrom can find the right TB fairly quickly and destroy him with permabashes and whatnot.
You overestimate sunder, cast time on that skill is ridiculous. A void or anyone with basher can easily bash you while you are trying to cast that
I agree, I'm not saying TB as utter shit, I'm just saying in a 1 v 1 scenario he's not the best or him being the hardest carry in dota 2.
He does come online A LOT sooner than other carries. And his abilities to score kills in lane is a lot better than PL or Naga.
I still think Spectre can take on TB 1 v 1 because of dispersion's damage reduction and I still believe Spectre is a lot more tanky than TB.
Dispersion damage reduction helps but Spectre will have more hp because of better str growth and because heart is a common item on spectre but not TB. Although TB has better agi thus more armour spectre+manta with desolate does tons of pure damage and can melt him pretty quick
I've played against void several times in 5.2k. I haven't lost a single time even when void got fat. In a real game he won't even be able to see your face, and forcing him to invest in mkb just to hit your illusions at all really wastes his slot for a carry with such poor stats.
TB has 75% damage reduction late game from armour alone. A void will be lucky to have 1k dps (ee with rapier barely hit that hard), and he needs 10 seconds of chrono hitting non-stop to kill TB.
Spectre needs to build MKB to even stand a chance. TB's main hero has close to 3k hp late with only skadi and manta as hp items, far MORE armour than spec and hits twice as fast and nearly as hard. If spec has manta TB has 2 conjure illusions that provide a 220% steroid AND manta. And evasion. If spec doesn't go for the illusions TB has full hp targets for sunder as a backup plan as well.
TB has over 1.8k dps from illusions alone, even if the main gets permabashed. Void has shit agi and shit hp. Void gets melted easily. The numbers alone don't even match up.
Maybe I can find a replay to show how strong Terrorblade is.
Not saying Terrorblade is a harder carry than void but is definitely in the same class with a better early game. Definitely rapes spec in 1v1 and other hard carries. You can't fight him when he has a reflection every 5 seconds (75% ms/as reduction and 65% damage).
Phantom lancer might be close only because its hard to find the real pl, however if both knew who were the real heros terrorblade would destroy pl. Terrorblade has higher dps than pl and is ranged. Ranged team of illusions > Melee team of illusions.
Void actually has really bad dps. He struggles to hit faster than twice per second (barely with MoM active + mjollnir), and is forced to build attack speed over damage. Most other carries easily outdps him given same farm. He is strong mostly because he can usually lock down others long enough to kill them.
[color=#ee82ee]Sniper would easily just kited him with Skadi. Whenever I play vs Terrorblade I never see him have high impact fight-wise, however he take all my towers. When he first get items he tend to just die anyway. Only usefulness I've seen him do is pushing towers. (most of the time)[/color]
In 1v1 case a 6 slotted legion can easily kill TB using duel
In my opinion Terror would be weak against nuker early game, for example: Lina/Timber/Lion because of his low health and against cleave/spread attack late game, for example: sven/medusa/gyro
^ don't see legion beating terror-blade
i cant tell if the shit relentless posts or if this thread is the dumbest one ive read so far this month and its only been 13 days
Legion
>Blink
>AC
>Deso
>Phase/Threads
>Abbysal
>Mjjolnir
^ Legion cannot kill Terror blade before a sunder goes off. I know you love Legion Commander but Legion commander not even close to Terrorblade.
initiate with duel though..... and abbysal
TB too tanky when farmed. At best LC nearly kills and gets sundered.
well theres the passive bash... so im not sure about sunder going to do its thing quickly
The range on Terrorblade's abilities is pretty low though. Viper with aghas + DPS may be able to kite him. Get an orchid so he can't Sunder just before you kill him.
I guess Sniper with Abyssal Blade, Mjollnir/MKB, Butterfly, Daedalus will be fine. 2.4s stun how you going to sunder out of that?
Sunder is great if you aren't stunned or silenced.
I'm not exactly a high tier player myself, but I've been using TB a lot and winning quite a bit of non-ranked games (19 wins out of 22 tb games, with 2 abandon teammates in the 3 loss) solo que/stack with 1-2 friend (or not exactly stack since my friend is not that good)
But I'll sum it up for you, TB's str lies in split pushing 2 lanes at once with his conjure image and manta in mid-game and they usually have to commit 1 hero per lane to def against his push. If they decide to ignore you and go 5v4 against your teammates then you would be able to raze down their towers easily with 2 conjure images, 2 manta images and yourself in meta form + drums activated.
It would be wise for your 4 teammates not to commit to fights completely but try to delay them and bait them into trying to start a fight with your team to create big spaces for you to push.
There's 3 main problems I face:
1. Sunder cast animation too slow, most of the time before I successfully swap souls with an opponent Lion etc I would be stunned and hexed first before I manage to finish casting the spell.
2. Pick Offs > Split pushers, I'm always split pushing alone so the best method that opponents have found to picked me off was to use heroes like NA to hunt me and burst me down (especially when I have only 1 illusion out and it's easy for them to tell which is the real one). Best success is to catch me off guard, eg. blinking CW and burst me down with 1 more hero before I can do anything. TB is generally quite fragile even with manta drums and easy to burst down given the right heroes.
3. Team Fights, especially when I see heroes like warlock etc and my team doesn't have good team fight heroes. I'm not going to join my team and push together in one lane ... TB is just bad for teamfights unless you go bkb because eg. warlock golem drops down they'll know which is the real TB and focus you down fast (plus the illusions will probably drop to 1/3 life from that golem impact alone). Plus the Sunder slow cast animation is a big problem too, without bkb a good team would not give you time to cast it in a team fight.
You shouldn't think about how to out carry TB late game, but how to shut him down early so that he's useless. Just keep picking him off with heroes like NA and he shouldn't be able to carry his team during mid-game. Mostly hero lineup to lock him down in a fight/pick him off.
eh? pretty silly discussion tbh. Ah Tinker can solo him, a storm with orchid can solo him etc...
No comments on doom with aghs and lifesteal? Permanently silenced, doom is beating anyone I think.
Drow and sniper would get destroyed?!?
PL and void or maybe a hex ursa?
That's true, if ursa stack enough dmg then used abbyssal blade + overpower on him right before TB could sunder his burst would be insane, probably more than enough to keep from being sundered.
Also I'll bet axe has a good win rate cus he does culling blade before TB remembers to use sunder.
Kunkka is great for dealing with him in a tf, can't outcarry tho
naga vs tb worst matchup of the century
but really he falls into a similar category as spectre. although he has better lane control with metamorphosis on, when it's off it's pretty damn weak. hes also got some pretty crappy starting stats/tankiness.
best way ive found to deal with him is to put pressure on him in the time he's not able to afk farm. follow him around if ur a support, push his lane in and ward up his jungle and you should be fine. but trying to outcarry this guy wont work. so tl;dr either pick him off repeatedly or push down all his towers and then starve his team to death since he's useless in that early time period.
btw 6 slotted gyro/dusa can probably do the trick since if your team has any form of control (be it sheeps and stuff) both of those guys can essentially isolate the tb with their massive teamfight dps. same could theoretically go for spectre. legion is also great against him since you always get your blink before he gets his radiance and can follow him around and get fed off of him. legions ulti also prevents him from sundering so thats great too.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/524893710
Terrorblade can come back from being down 2 lanes of rax and a 15k gold deficit... enemy team got complacent and stalled, got ratted by six-slotted TB pushing 3 lanes.
Push early with a hero who can wipe illusions easily (Kunkka, Sven etc). TB is notoriously bad at defending, and relies heavily on forcing the opponents to respond to his split push - if you have a support/core who can easily wipe out his illusions it will be alot easier to push against him.
TB with just Drums and Manta can down a full hp tower in around 15 seconds.
Dk can 1x1 tb. Tested millions of times
The whole point of TB is that he doesn't even need to force a 1v1 to win the game. He doesn't carry the game by being a 1v1 hero...
Tusk with 6 Divines could 1 hit TB. :)
CK is confirmed to dominate TB 1v1.
Void can also kill TB as long as he can get the Chrono off, If TB gets a Scythe of Vyse he can kill Void in the duration.
CK and Void are terrible heroes for dealing with TB, even in a 1v1.
CK has no way of identifying which is the real one, and is unable to deal with evasion unless he goes for an MKB, which is a terrible item on him in general. Furthermore having so many illusions on the field means that even if he gets TB low, there will be no lack of sunder choices.
Void fares slightly better, but needs Chrono to actually deal with TB. Furthermore if he doesn't manage to finish TB off in the duration of Chrono (3k+ hp and 40+ armour late game, even with evasion disabled in Chrono), he is guaranteed to lose. A good TB shouldn't even be in the front lines, and just needs to keep the pressure on all lanes by split-pushing, which Void isn't good at dealing with.
And let's not forget how powerful Reflection is in a 1v1 fight late game.
No fucking way i will ever think that this hero is better than pl late game.
If the game goes late enough TB can backdoor alot more effectively. His illusions are on-demand and deal substantially more damage as compared to PL who needs a wave of creeps to create an army which doesn't even scale as well as TB's. 3 of PL's illusions do the same damage % of one of TB's illusion while taking 350% damage compared to TB's 200%. TB also tends to build tankier than PL - his illusions are practically impossible for supports to clear alone, whereas something like Lina can fare better against an army of illusions. A typical TB with Manta and Skadi has illusions requiring over 1.4k magical damage to kill after the 25% reduction. A typical PL with Manta and Heart has illusions that require under 1k magical damage BEFORE reduction.
On the flip side Lion does fare better against TB thanks to being able to insta-gib illusions with mana drain.
1 shots 1 illusion
still has 4 more
but its not like these carries have to kill TB directly, theres so many ways of dealing with him if hes farmed, ex mass focus, hexes, and heroes like gyro/dusa that kill off tb's supports.
if you play bounty hunter as a carry with battle fury, you can probably get 3~ divine rapiers in maybe 20 minutes and then you can sneak up to the real TB and one hit him hahaahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how is this thread still alive
Hahahaha! wave so funny today!!
bit of advice - don't go radiance build if ur team really sucks and can't 4v4 for 20 minutes (key word is 4v4, cuz the other team usually has a jungling lycan or something that never shows up)
i've lost most of my games today going the radiance build, cuz i saw some people do it. team can't 4v5 for 20 minutes lol. i should have just stuck with drums/manta/skadi
just pick phoenix and no hero on the other team will ever be able to attack anyone all game
dont need a carry to win games
Lina, just hit the right target and a good position, nuke.
How is TB the hardest carry in the game? He's alright in 1 v 1, he's good at splitpushing with metamorph/radiance, but hardest carry in dota 2? no way. I've outcarried TB with naga, clinkz, lifestealer and slark. He can carry don't get me wrong but his abilities besides morph and sunder aren't very good
Conjure image is the strongest non-ultimate illusion in the game with one of the least damage amplification. His strength is in his ability to use farm extremely efficiently. I've easily out carried all the heroes you mentioned over the last week of non-stop terrorblade. Naga cannot outpush TB and the other 3 heroes you mentioned are even worse. A competent TB will easily destroy those heroes with equal or less farm, and a TB with map control will easily exceed 700 gpm without having to spend money on farm accelerators. By 35-40 minutes he has a physical damage output of 3000dps with meta up, along with conjure/manta illusions. No other hero comes even close.
Since 6.43b and the days of soulsteal he was regarded as the hardest carry in the game. 8 years and tons of changes later, in the current meta, he is still easily one of the hardest carries in the game.
Don't forget that carrying isn't just about 1v1 or killing heroes. Aside from the fact that he would win practically any 1v1, his ability to destroy buildings safely late is unmatched. Four illusions can outdamage backdoor regen and take down a tower easily.
A testament to his strength as a carry is his 56% win rate in Very High games. I would not be surprised if he was nerfed slightly before being added to cm.
cant spectre do the job to beat TB? i believe spectre is tanky enough to go manmode with TB, in my opinion?
A player that can do what you stated can do the same with Naga and PL. His tanky illusions cost him the quantity of illusions of other illusion heroes.
I agree spectre destroys TB
@THE REAL 'Kieffus'
Only alright in 1v1? Dude he is one of the hardest carry if not the hardest. I don't want to provide a wall of text to explain it but the main reason is his skill sets "scale" very well late game. Of course you can outcarry a terrorblade as a naga, clinkz, stealer, slark like you mentioned if things dont go well for him or team when team is fed.
However what I am saying is if given equal farm, terrorblade is possibly the hardest carry. His reflection is op because it scales late game and also reduces attack speed 65%. He has very high total damage output and focus fire due to his metamorphosis illusions. And finally sunder if things are not going your way.
Spectre cannot manmode simply because TB is tankier and has a far higher damage output. Furthermore TB just needs to push against spec. This is ignoring, of course, that TB naturally farms faster to begin with, has far superior stat gain and better scaling. Spec's strength has always been mainly in being able to kill supports first.
The difference is that PL and Naga take very long to come online. Their illusions are unable to generate sustainable farm until they get Radiance or significant stats. I used to love playing PL but TB comes online way faster and is less dependent on having a very good laning stage. TB also has significant kill potential in lane, whereas a Naga going for illusions early sacrifices levels in ensnare, forcing her to play passively.
@nevermort
Tell me how he's one of the best 1 v 1 against other carries such as PL. And I wouldn't consider one sided games as outcarrying, they were moderately close. I don't see how he's one of the hardest carries in the game, I agree that he's an AMAZING carry that can splitpush, but he is not the hardest carry IN Dota 2, or in 1 v 1.
Honestly I think a void can just destroy terrorblade. If void isn't allowed to use chrono then TB isn't allowed to use sunder, but honestly a void with a battlefury and maelstrom can find the right TB fairly quickly and destroy him with permabashes and whatnot.
You overestimate sunder, cast time on that skill is ridiculous. A void or anyone with basher can easily bash you while you are trying to cast that
@ Zenoth
I agree, I'm not saying TB as utter shit, I'm just saying in a 1 v 1 scenario he's not the best or him being the hardest carry in dota 2.
He does come online A LOT sooner than other carries. And his abilities to score kills in lane is a lot better than PL or Naga.
I still think Spectre can take on TB 1 v 1 because of dispersion's damage reduction and I still believe Spectre is a lot more tanky than TB.
Dispersion damage reduction helps but Spectre will have more hp because of better str growth and because heart is a common item on spectre but not TB. Although TB has better agi thus more armour spectre+manta with desolate does tons of pure damage and can melt him pretty quick
I've played against void several times in 5.2k. I haven't lost a single time even when void got fat. In a real game he won't even be able to see your face, and forcing him to invest in mkb just to hit your illusions at all really wastes his slot for a carry with such poor stats.
TB has 75% damage reduction late game from armour alone. A void will be lucky to have 1k dps (ee with rapier barely hit that hard), and he needs 10 seconds of chrono hitting non-stop to kill TB.
Spectre needs to build MKB to even stand a chance. TB's main hero has close to 3k hp late with only skadi and manta as hp items, far MORE armour than spec and hits twice as fast and nearly as hard. If spec has manta TB has 2 conjure illusions that provide a 220% steroid AND manta. And evasion. If spec doesn't go for the illusions TB has full hp targets for sunder as a backup plan as well.
Void may have trouble killing TB but I don't see TB melting void in anyway with backtrack and that bash
TB has over 1.8k dps from illusions alone, even if the main gets permabashed. Void has shit agi and shit hp. Void gets melted easily. The numbers alone don't even match up.
Maybe I can find a replay to show how strong Terrorblade is.
Not saying Terrorblade is a harder carry than void but is definitely in the same class with a better early game. Definitely rapes spec in 1v1 and other hard carries. You can't fight him when he has a reflection every 5 seconds (75% ms/as reduction and 65% damage).
Phantom lancer might be close only because its hard to find the real pl, however if both knew who were the real heros terrorblade would destroy pl. Terrorblade has higher dps than pl and is ranged. Ranged team of illusions > Melee team of illusions.
Still the backtrack+butterfly evade or if the void has a battlefury/mjolnir.
He's the definition of a glass cannon imo, he's not tanky with that HP, even with that armour but insane DPS
Open up dota singleplayer, test it out Terrorblade wins handsdown.
@ never
Which hero are you talking about specifically
Void actually has really bad dps. He struggles to hit faster than twice per second (barely with MoM active + mjollnir), and is forced to build attack speed over damage. Most other carries easily outdps him given same farm. He is strong mostly because he can usually lock down others long enough to kill them.
Pl and void.
I haven't tested it out in single but I've owned a farmed void as terrorblade.
if Spec can't manmode TB, i believe no one else can, even Dusa
only chance is to kite him, Sniper can do the job perhaps?