Slark with essence shift or whatever it's called the third skill owns axe. Just PRESS R before he can dunk you or else u look like a clown.
Essence ShiftNot blocked by Spell Immunity. Not blocked by Linken's Sphere. Cannot be purged. Cannot be used by illusions. EN
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Ability Affects
Passive Enemy Heroes
Slark steals the life essence of enemy heroes with his attacks, draining each of their attributes and converting them to bonus Agility.
All Attributes Lost per Attack: 1
Agility Gained per Attack: 3
Duration: 15/30/60/120
With each strike at his adversaries, Slark's knowledge of their weaknesses improves.
I forget which one Pounce is, it's either 2nd or 3rd, but as far as the ult goes, I need something that can shut down Axe before the ult, cause him creepblocking or zoning people out by tanking makes it hard to get ult quickly
you can kill him with your ranged support just by 1 lvl in essence shift and maybe pounce if you manage to hit level 2. it's super easy to kill axe just with essence shift just dont run at him while he has a creep wave around him and get spun on like an idiot and you are fine
Counters to axe:
Morphling:He out tanks axe and can raise his health to make axe blow his ulti for 0 kills
BristleBack:He out tanks axe.
Silencer:Being that axe needs to pop his berserker's call and then the dunk, last words breaks up this combo
Bloodseeker:Use the blademail/damage amp trick to kill axe :P
Counters to Axe in the early laning phase, in order:
Dark Seer
Broodmother
Huskar
Treant
Razor
Storm (if mid lane)
TA
SF
Ursa
Abaddon
Tide
PA
However, with the right support for Axe then you need to have 3 range or strong stuff like Undying+Treant+Veno
^ right behind meepo and after natures prophet, enchant and then EVERY THING ELSE...
U guys r making me cry here with ur counters lol , slark hurts axe with essence but he does to every single hero , while imo axe is more of a counter to slark , since call is not purgable and can hit him while he is invs , axe is more counter to bristle since bristle depends heavily on physical dmg and axe have tons of armour + axe forces bristle to look at him , much like duel, blood seeker blademail amp is removed , to lyr i wont talk about any hero u mentioned except ta , ta have low range and can be raped by axe at lane , call increase his armour that meld not hurt .
OnE of the best counters as a support to axe is witch doctor , axe playstyle is go in tank every thing , with meldict its not the case , u go in take meldict now ur forced to run , or u will die 90%
Storm can make axe have hard time since storm depends on magical damage from overload and remanat
Zeus and spectre will remove his dagger
Timber will hurt him alot
Imo the best counter to axe is positioning and knowing ur strength , if u cant brust him down just dont let him have his dream call and kill his team while kiting him
All I know is when people pick axe and im on slark I win and when they do the whole imma take ur creep wave and fuck ur grill i kill him
lyralei, ta is not an axe counter at any phase of the game
timber
necro
zeus
medusa (not really a counter though - she just doesnt care about you)
witch doctor
shadow demon disruption
eul's scepter and vlads
qw invoker
venomancer (ward build)
Dragon Knight with dragon blood
Sven warcry
Omniknight guardian angel.
Timber ignores his berserker armour with pure damage and when your ulti is out, you can't attack axe at all if he calls you.
Zeus and Sniper can similar to veno just stop his blink with static link/shrapnel so he won't jump on your team.
lyralei, majority of the heroes you mentioned are countered by axe
Also, ranged supports with slows or stuns own him early
There is no direct counter to Axe but he is hindered by some heroes more than others. Much like TA you would assume that picking Viper or Veno will instantly win you vs a TA but a lot of the very good TA players I know simply don't give a shit because they know they can beat them.
Axe is countered by not being a retard, and playing smart. Pro tip if you have a stun or an escape don't stand near to creeps or a cluster of heroes. If you knew there was a Magnus you wouldn't do the same thing either.
Axe does well in team fights cause he can draw aggro and use heroes/creeps to spin but if caught alone can be 1v1'd by practically anyone in the game.
Slark gets utterly wrecked by a good Axe in both laning and afterwards unless you're caught out.
Venomancer does well cause it holds Axe at bay but still again, a decent Axe player will use stuff like smoke to get around the wards to get a good blink
01:53 Axe's auto attack killed Venomancer http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1299698691 good "counter" but not enough.
Omniknight gets destroyed by Axe, if you're banking your play on an omniknight winning you a team fight vs an Axe you're going to lose.
Timber is actually decent but again, a decent axe player knows this and won't take on a timber without the help of the team and still the lock down for timber does cause him issues.
Zeus has been one of the most annoying heroes that I have faced as Axe, not a counter just really irritating but then again that is Zeus vs almost any other hero.
Whoever mentioned brood and Ababdon, and huskar are either high as fuck or really bad at this game.
Huskar = strong against magical weak against physical, likes to be low hp
Axe = deals physical damage, kills low hp instantly
Such counter
OK, at least five people said I was wrong in my post above. Only one (1) person actually provided one (1) argument.
I DID say "...in the early laning phase...", which to me is lvl 1 to lvl 7-8.
Here is my arguments:
Dark Seer - ion shell win
Broodmother - dont skill spiderlings, invis+speed+healing = farm; lvl 6 = rape axe or out-zone him
Huskar - DoT win
Treant - hits harder then Axe, out heal/shield his helix
Razor - range+link+speed = rape
Storm (if mid lane) aoe+passive+bottle = rape
TA - range+splash=harass or out zone. Meld-nukes = out zone
SF - range+high damage = rape
Ursa - attack Axe with passive when creeps not around for helix = out zone
Abaddon - more right click dps then Axe due to passive. Shield counter helix.
Tide - you know this
PA - more right click DPS (blink strike) + evasion = rape axe when no creeps around if u wait untill he missed his call or something
How is not skilling spiders a win
And how does evasion help PA against axe
Not to mention she gets rekt by blademail
Here is my (correct) counter arguments:
Darkseer - How early are you talking? When does Axe ever lane vs DS? Mid/late the Ion shell does nothing to Axe, and until late/mid DS and Axe will rarely actually come into contact with each other. Do you even play DS or know how the hero works?
Broodmother - Sure don't skill spiders, but I would personally back door your tower if I can see you're not skilling them. It can be tough to last hit under tower as brood and axe will get more farm in the long run even with your ult won't do that much (most back door axes go vanguard) with ult + possibly treads if you're lucky...you just don't have the damage to take out a farmed Axe.
Huskar - I mean do I really have to explain where this hero is bad vs Axe it should be blatantly obvious even for low skill players. Here's my all time winrate against huskar as axe in 80+ games
Treant - Yeah just no, battle hunger removes heal in about 5 seconds and continues doing damage after that, Culling blade pierces heal, spin pierces heal, and stout and natural durablity means treant won't do all that much to you past maybe 2-3 minutes in laning phase (if you're even laning)
I am just going to stop here cause this is a total waste of my time, you're envisioning some total jerk off scenarios where for some reason everyone is level 25 and six slotted where the Axe somehow magically has nothing. There are heroes that are better than others vs Axe and some you have mentioned but I would never attempt to solo them without superior farm or help from the team.
Depending on the nature of the lane Axe more often than not wins the majority of offlanes and mids which again you would only ever lane if the scenario suited this. Axe players usually can have a 7-9 minute blink dagger where most of the carries/supports you mentioned will have nothing that can take him on that early.
Like your arguements are just throwing out random words like "damage - hit = rape" but truth is very few of those heroes win in the average Axe players scenario.
"more right click dps then Axe due to passive. Shield counter helix." please don't open your mouth again before you do some follow up reading. Axe isn't a right clicker and the "shield" will literally protect from 1 of the 3-5 spins he will get on a Abadon in a creep wave which with a follow up Culling will directly kill him.
Amphotic Shield - 200 max dmg abosorbed
Axe Spin - 205 dmg
Where in the world is Aba going to have a level 4 shield 7 minutes in when Axe is level 7-8 and has a blink dagger.
....just what the fuck!
sano >> dont judge the book by the cover. Now that I know how the sytem works i started a new account. Game number 3 was on high skill. Now i have 10-1 (win rating) and is still on high skill. The lost game was due to 4 noobs throwing the game (vs sniper void and ursa).
Cant you read? Axe dont have blade mail at lvl 1-7.
Knowing how the system works in order to get a better aesthetic title and know how to play the game correctly are entirely different things.
Axe doesn't need a blademail, in fact I have been against the item for the majority of my games and I will avoid it where absolutely possible and even then probably get it as a 3rd -4th item and not as a second after blink.
a PA is pretty useless before level 6 as well. Evasion wont help against axe. But a well farmed PA can kill axe multiple times before gets tanky enough.
A well farmed PA can zone out and solo an Axe. How it works is I usually go in take aggro and will get out allowing the team to come do their thing and reengage and finish up. A good PA can actually follow you out of the fight and then you're screwed cause in a 1v1 and gets pretty wrecked by hard carries, he needs the team and or enemy creeps to get them down.
If you're playing PA spam daggers on AXE when you're getting creeps then spam them on creeps when he is taking his. This keeps him at bay allowing you to farm, then allows you to take last hits while he is controlling the creep equilibrium.
Havoc Badger >> Interesting choice of words "know how to play the game correctly".
Do you imply that there is only 1 way to play correctly? Ofc you dont. Dota is the most complex game i know - chess included.
For example, my best build with PA include headress and no dagger untill around lvl 7.
For example, my best build with PA include headress and no dagger untill around lvl 7.
Which is why you remain in high, normal skill and will never pass higher than mid 3K, also another reason your "best build" has gotten you a smashing 38% winrate as PA and 0% winrate with headress
What a player!
Havoc Badger >> In my last thread i explained that I carry in games with people between 4k - 5k mmr. Friends on 4k gets happy when i come online since they know their lose streak now has ended.
I can easily out-draft (at least some) people above 4k in captains mode.
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"your "best build" has gotten you a smashing 38% winrate as PA and 0% winrate with headress"
LOL. Come on my friend. Start thinking. I have 0% winrate with headress because I sell it during the later phase of the game.
Dont you agree that my KDA on 2.5 is good for a winrate on 38%? Im just bad at playing with players on normal skill. I need to play with people above 3.5k in order to be good.
And these games with PA was in cm mode on normal skill. Which means that my team cant play the heroes i draft for them. And I draft ez heroes like shaman, ns, np, jugger, bs when i play PA.
Lold at headdress and no dagger.
You only buy headress if you are going to build mek, otherwise it's a waste of 10 lasthits. And the only reason not to skill dagger at lvl 1 is when enemy gets (chain)stunned at the first rune so you can kill him quick with your blink and chase him afterwards.
I may be 1k, but there's a reason why people build certain items and the only reason you build headdress for is to be edgy it seems.
^ Are you claiming to be a secret 5K player?
"I carry in games with people between 4k - 5k mmr. Friends on 4k gets happy when i come online since they know their lose streak now has ended."
Or maybe because they get easier games and can fuck around? Also all of your friends are about 2.8-3.8 and very few of them peak over 4k
.....perhaps your secret 5k group might want to put a little wager together against say, my 3k group?
If i remember correctly i have one friend on 5k, 3-4 on 4k-4.8k. One friend one 4k reported me and unfriended me since i bought phase+treads+headress on PA :D. That was after we played like 20-30 games. The game before this i carried with Undying.
"Or maybe because they get easier games and can fuck around?" Valid point but I dont think that is what happens. You can check my very high skill games and see if it seems like it.
I dont know what wager means.
Also, I did win 50 year beast games. Lost maybe 10. That should mean something even if it is pay to win?
A friendly bet, you seem to be under a very strong delusion that you're as good as 4-5k players or even better. I would like to take you up on that by playing against you with a group of 3K players.
vh skill = the elite
high skill = meh bad too
normal skill = peasants
Havoc is right and ur wrong if ur mmr is bad! period.
.Kittyminati >> OK, i let you show if you can think for your self or only copy what the pros are doing...
Why is it good to buy a headress on a carry and never upgrade it to meka?
Havoc Badger >> Why not 1v1 mid? I get to ban two heroes and you get to ban two heroes.
Im The Bully Of My School >> I like your style of arguing ;). You conviced me!
And we play it like it was normal 1v1 matchmaking = 2 kills or tower down.
You claim to be able to outdraft people and carry 4-5k people, I would like the opportunity to see this. I have no interest in playing a 1v1 with anyone much less someone in normal skill.
VH skill != elite, you get VH games at 3.8k
Also what the fuck is a PA with headress, that item pretty much only gives you regen which you can get from a ring or lifesteal and much better
I'd gladly play 1v1 against you but our time zones are a bit too different and 250 ping is way too annoying
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Like, I find Axe VERY annoying, cause his tankiness in the early game is broken and already know some item based combos that hurt him real bad, but what heroes by default counter the bullshit helixing monster that is Axe?
So far, I've found Gyro and Pugna to be useful against him, cause Gyro just has magic nukes left and right, something Axe doesn't have super tanky resistance against, and Pugna because Decrep and any amount of magic will rip his health away.