He is kind of like dp in the sense that his playstyle centered around taking towers, and in the current patch it's much harder to push towers and it's less rewarding than it used to be. I've seen maybe 1 dk in 100 pubs and no one would ever pick it in competitive.
@Mokujin its awful because i pick him when i think he'll do well and i fuck it up and its not fair on my team, i follow his recommended item build but i never get tanky enough to carry meaning i fall into a support role with less farm meaning im even more useless in team fights, its the same with terror blade they are in that group of heroes i wish i could play with but i can't
Storm is one of the best mid lane heroes... Dragon Knight doesnt have the mana pool or control to contest storm in the lane, storm spirit would rip me to pieces haha
i said mid game, obv dk has garbage lane against storm
go check the anti index if you dont believe me, which applies to your bracket the most.
DK is a rough hero to play right now, but here's what I would do. You play him as either a ganker or as a mid game carry. If going ganker mid's probably the best lane, get levels, farm up shadowblade asap, then go gank bitches with your stun. It's really straightforward, but you probably need to get a little lucky and snag an early kill or two to snowball. If you get shadowblade fast enough though he's a pretty good ganker. Armlet is a good next item cus it's most cost efficient for str heroes for dmg and you won't be leaving it on to farm. Max your stun and fire breath. Bottle is nice too.
If going carry I'd probably go safe lane but you MUST get every last hit during lane phase or you'll be way behind. Then grab a bottle. Yes I know it sounds retarded but until you get 2-3 items you farm slow as shit and you will need to spam fire to clear jungle. 1 point in your stun, max fire breath, rest of points in dragon's blood upping ult when you can. You don't really need more than 1 point in stun right now as you aren't fighting much. Once lane phase is over you can start jungle rotations. With bottle you won't need lifesteal but stacking ancients is great farm. So you make the call, get dominator and stack them bitches if you can, but it's better if someone else stacks for you. Stacking isn't that reliable in low mmr. Your stacks get stolen all the time.
Other items to build, maelstrom! Probably your most important farming item. You can go armlet but maelstrom is better. I'd probably go maelstrom then ac then heart and then you should go push towers and win the game. If you go the dominator route, go maelstrom next, AC, then you can pick heart or finish satanic. Bkb when needed after maelstrom. You might be able to get the hyperstone for AC then go bkb, then finish AC. DK is really fucking strong late game when his dragon form is up, so you don't have to finish games mid game, he's just not that good of a farmer so you want to be aggressive mid game. For me an ideal 6 slot build is boots, AC, mjollnir, mkb, two of bkb/satanic/heart. Basher/abyssal is good, but proc chance is low in ranged form so mkb might be better.
@Timberwolf wow thanks very much man do you play him often? and you are right the stacking and warding is a nightmare since the support players in my MMR bracket dont play as supports they do whatever they want haha its harder in the low skill bracket to play because most dont play as a team and pick heroes they can't with, its a race to what team can pick the most common heroes like troll, riki, sniper, axe, pa and void and just fight until one team gets bored and decides to push and win
Kitrak, could you explain? To me it feels like after Dk goes for like the typical mid game fighting build like treads drum bkb or w/e his typical item progression requires him to commit alot to bulk/frontline and maelstorm feels like the cheaper few items (the other being armlet) he can afford which boosts his AS/dmg. Mj also feels like a good late game item for a frontliner
Apart from chains having no synergy with splash, why is mael bad on dk exactly?
Forgot about drums, good item if you want to fight right away.
Sange and yasha.... I don't know, I'd definitely stay away if you plan to farm up bkb or ac before fighting, but for a ganking build it might be good cus of the move speed and maim. Halberd can be very good depending as well. I just think for s&y on DK that you're probably better off saving a little more for an AC.
drums is actually an item i never or rarely build, i've watch the pros play on join dota and they never seem to buy drums even when they pick a hero like tiny or CM where drums are a recommended item, maybe i should build them more, same with halberd, i only ever build halberd if i play with Phoenix, i think i stick to the recommended items too much and take it too literally which means sometimes i focus too much on the wrong items, 1200 games later ive still got a lot more to learn haha
The stats on drums are quite a bit, it's like 4 levels of stats plus move speed. On tiny it's very important cus he doesn't have enough mana pool to do his combo without mana boots or some stat items.
And yes, DK is not very good right now, but his issues are a lot like chaos knights, mainly he doesn't farm well (just like CK) and when his ult is down he sucks (just like CK). But if you're lower mmr most people don't farm well anyway so that might not be an issue and by going bottle and spamming fire you can clear quick enough to get to an ac or maelstrom to keep up in farm. Then when his ult is up and he's 6 slotted he is a very, very strong carry late game (just like CK).
Really they need to increase his stun range a bit and decrease it's mana cost, remove mana cost on ult and he'd be a pretty good hero.
I won't lie I love Chaos Knight, I've only played 10 games with him but I'm 8 to 2 with him, think he's a great hero, takes a bit of getting used to though, would you think that terror blade is easier to play with than DK
No, DK is not hard to play, he is just weak compared to most other carries right now, there's a difference. Terror blade requires a lot more micro and a lot more decision making like when to fight and when to bail. I don't think TB is hard though. Once you learn to shift queue attack orders for illusions it's very easy to clear lanes and both jungles and get 8,9,10 last hits per minute. TB is also quite weak in this meta though and has been directly nerfed.
In general str carries aren't that good right now. Strength disables do fine like centaur and axe, but most strength carries get blown up by the popular agi carries late like sniper, troll and jug. If you like them though then by all means keep playing. Like I said I don't know your exact mmr but the lower you are the worse people are at farming and thus strength carries become better cus most of them have stuns and they keep up with agility carries who can't farm just fine.
Just get a bottle/treads/shadow blade retards, everything after that is situational
You can go maelstrom for farming or sny for a mix of everything you want/need
Don't neglect damage (daedalus)
It is good for clearing out jungle quickly but usually I find pubbies turn it on at the worst moments and die in 3 seconds during a fight so I don't recommend it.
MoM is also not better than hotd if u dominate a creep and micro the creep to last hit in lane or stack ancients while you farm the jungle but let's not kid ourselves:
1) there's always a retard farming your jungle (that last pick axe who afks there for 15 minutes and still doesn't have a blink somehow and is 5k+ mmr cuz jungling too hard)
2) i've only seen like 1-2 players use that trick to optimize farm and i doubt anyone here does that
It's way easier to buy a shadow blade + stats and pick off retards than to try and farm 9-10 cs/minute when a million things could go wrong lulz
Then again it might just be my bias from hidden pool
To be honest i shouldn't play carry heroes anyway, if you look at my best heroes none of them are particularly good at carrying games, apart from WK i play ranged supports, i played limited heroes for a long time and didnt really play DK so just thought i'd try something new, i should stick to supporting considering im getting better at warding and i always build team fight weapons to help my team. To be honest DK looked like quite a simple easy hero to play but to me he isnt haha
He is simple to play.
Terror blade is definitely more complex to play than DK. Doesn't mean he is hard, but he takes more attention to control the illusions.
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I'm pretty noob.. no thats a lie im very noob, but i always try my best with whatever hero i pick. I used to be awful with Spectre and now ive found a good method of being good with her, but there's 2 heroes that i really like but im awful with, Dragon Knight and TerrorBlade.
I'm curious from anybody who plays dragon knight often whats the best way to play with him, what crucial items he needs and what role should i actually play with him, i consider you guys the experts so i'm curious what you think is the best way to go with Dragon Knight. but also im a ranged support player usually with Rubick, Necro, AA, Bane and Lion, CM and heroes like that, so im wondering if i just drop trying to be good with melee heroes and just focus on getting better with ranged supports.