General DiscussionEarth spirit in CM next patch?

0 chance

This hero have to be reworked 3 or 4 times more

no

if agah is removed mb :p

no, there will be several other important changes, and es cant be introduced b4 he will be balanced taking these changes into consideration.

is he a bit op or im i crazy?

not really, I play earth with my friend who plays storm and we can usually kill off 3 people and get the other 2 to run away if we get an initiation and we almost always do. Earth spirit can also solo kill almost anyone in the game at lvl 6 because his ult does a ton of damage and you can't get away from him. One of my favorite heroes but he is a little too strong. with veil and a urn this hero has all the farm he needs to wreck team fights until 30 minutes.

Dont think so.

Its a pretty hard hero to play with and its a pretty hard hero to play against (when people are pro with him).

So, if they nerf, he will be never picked cuz of leak of experience with him.
If they buff, pros will always pick, so i dont know what to do with this hero.

@WooT
ES is among 5 most picked heroes in 5k+ games even in this meta that doesnt favor him much. He becomes way more popular as average skill of the game increases. Once he will be introduced in CM, he'll be incredibly popular in tournaments of all levels.

@Triple can you link something to back that up?

I keep hearing these things but don't see it including tried to watch yond on twitch twice and he wasn't playing ES.

He has waaaay to much good abilities and can solo kill anyone at lvl 6, to be in captains.

Forever a pub-hero.

^Last picking is 4 puss1es
what could i link? i dont know how to find such data for certain skill brackets. it just comes out of my games, some streams, and some other players' comments (both my friends and streamers)
btw y0nd plays es in roughly 80% of his games, so you were kinda extremely (un?)lucky

If you have dotabuff plus you can look at high-MMR players' profiles under matchups:

http://puu.sh/hfd6k/0929d1cd32.png
http://puu.sh/hfcRj/8624858b84.png
http://puu.sh/hfcUl/29b0508be0.png
http://puu.sh/hfd0r/3257e23611.png

Gives an idea how popular he is there.

^didnt think about this, good idea.

That's what I was wondering if dotabuff plus allowed you to sort by brackets and stuff of that nature.

And yes I caught yond playing dazzle....super unlucky.

From the pics you linked looks like he isn't a huge issue to the pro players.

^in 3 out of 4 links es is the one with lowest winrate, and its "hero xounters" = heroes you play against. so the conclusion is opposite, isnt it?

Those pics did I read them on. I thought they were showing players win rate going against those heroes?

So as an example first pic matrice he wins 31.25% of games matched up against an ES player?

So I saw pie cat and wee looked like they didn't have anymore excessive trouble against those heroes compared to some others listed.

On that note at that level wish there was a way to know but always curious what lane ES is lanes in usually.

Yes, they do show the winrate against Earth Spirit. If shows that not only is ES popular in the highest brackets, but his winrate there goes from decent to very good.

W33's the only one to be suffering heavily against the current meta heroes, specially troll, while he has no problems against ES, but that probably comes from him specializing in Meepo.

^last picking
i saw es guru playing offlanes or roaming supp roles most often

Ok thank god not a fan of people that only play him mid.