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General DiscussionIs this matchup winnable?

Is this matchup winnable? in General Discussion
HartzFear

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3232852710
    So it was cpts Mode Match and my whole Team flamed me for the picks. + everyone was afk After 10 min. I still think picks was Kinda even. What Do you think? 2

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    J-Man

      Pick LC in captains mode?

      Never

      HartzFear

        Lol i linked the wrong game, changed it now.

        nami

          did you spam click captains position then proceed to ignore all your teammates suggestions

          and wonder why people are upset are you?

          死の恐怖 Haseo

            lol your team lack disable

            Junsui

              There is not a single stun on your team. Not one. The best you got is a CM root and their carry naturally builds a manta.

              -vzta-

                2 greedy heroes, and suports with bad roaming potential against them, low teamfight impact, considering your enemies, and a lot of others things.

                Kruelty-

                  Yeah your picks are shit, the Silencer pick is only good against warlock and maybe TB early game, Kunkka and Slardar being silenced wont affect them that much.
                  Medusa melts against Kunkka in lane and late game.
                  CM is always a good pick.
                  BB is meh against necro.
                  Plus the absence of stuns really fucked your game.

                  Emon

                    they just punished your greediness of draft. picking dusa mightve caused you the game since you didnt create enough space for medu to just facefuck them

                    their draft was push heavy with sustain
                    your draft didnt have enough de push
                    probably theyve won their mid and safelane
                    losing two lanes against this lineup can cause the game

                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                      that game seems pretty winnable to me

                      Player 345068850

                        I dont see a problem lol
                        Every game is winnable...i dont understand how people tell everyone they lost when its 2 minutes in game

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                        死の恐怖 Haseo

                          lol "Every game is winnable" can only be applied if you are better than the people in that bracket . in this case we assume everyone has same skill so draft matter to win game mate

                          Dire Wolf

                            Bristle sucks offlane. That's only real issue, he won't make enough space for mid. Now if you combo silencer or cm + bb offlane that maybe works. Draft is not that bad.

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                            StanceWorks

                              Should of ran jugg and cm offlane, silencer mid, medusa safelane and BB is garbage pick in this lineup, you needed 1 stun like a ES or a lion/stun support for bot lane. Cuz cm and jugg can totally own that safe lane easy.

                              NegroCaucasian

                                you were captain and didnt play support you are cancer

                                ねずみ

                                  captain can only play support ? :thinking:

                                  420

                                    Is the game winnable ? Yes. Are you likely to win it with this draft given that both teams are of equal skills ? No.

                                    Your first mistake was picking bristleback so early. BB offlane should ONLY be situationally picked, all of their picks following your BB pick were more or less good against BB. I personally like to pick terrorblade as a carry when I see a bb offlane in the other team.

                                    And as everyone said, your team lacks stuns. A manta on tb counters your whole lineup.

                                    evy

                                      Captain can only play support
                                      Except for fx cuz hes a fa66ot

                                      kanni

                                        Can you pick Visage in captains mode?

                                        evy

                                          I think so?

                                          Stiller Schrei

                                            medusa pick sucked hard and sadly u where matched against me ;P

                                            Jacked

                                              Medusa is slow

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                                                A captain play the carry

                                                That's... Unusual

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                                                  A captain play the carry

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                                                  Altaire

                                                    Pajkatt is captain and is a carry

                                                    Sadly Na'Vi is ranked so low at pro scene

                                                    Anomaluna

                                                      To be honest with you, your draft is not great. You have good Rosh potential and high ground siege or defense, but overall the picks are quite greedy, both in terms of XP and gold. Plus, you don't really have any good lockdown, despite having two teamfight ultimates: Silencer and Medusa's ults. Your offlane can zone and tank, but has no real disable. Since your Juggernaut was safe lane, he did not get the levels required to fight early with his team and make space for Medusa. You could have sent the Jugg mid and the Medusa safe lane, that might have helped you a bit.

                                                      Look at their two teamight stunners: One is Warlock, long cooldown but disable that goes through BKB, the other: Slardar with regular Stun but short cooldown and can weave in and out of the fight with blink and force. Also, the problem with your supports, neither of them is great level 1 or 2, they are quite level and farm dependant, plus, neither of them is a 'saving' hero. What I believe is, every support duo should have one aggressive/stunner and one defensive/healer. You're on the right track as a drafter though.

                                                      As for "any matchup is winnable", if the enemy knows what to do with their draft, and so do you, but your draft is worse than theirs, then its an uphill battle. You can only win with a bad draft if the enemy doesnt know what to do with their heroes.

                                                      HartzFear

                                                        I think my picks was much stronger my next Item on dusa would have been agha so i kill all the tb illus with snake and we had some lockdown. Kunkka cant Do anything when hes silenced and also all items to purge silence are very shit on him.