General DiscussionJugg with MoM SnY Skadi valid?

it is still okay someimes

It pretty much depends. If they got lots of disables and nukes especially...it is not.
In that case...you might need to get some tank items: drum is good, manta/sny (tho i like manta more because of the utility) and skadi (or even satanic) and let's not forget the all mighty BKB.

I really feel that after the recent changes maxing Q is prettty mandatory, even when going for the MoM build.

I crai everytime when people not maxing Q before the changes
you can still do tons of damage in a safer way it's like no brainer but then they proceeds to max crit and go leeroy jenkins
now that they buffed the Q dmg i be like: as if it does not deal tons of damage already bruh

what are u supposed to do with ur maxed q if enemy offlaner does not even come to creeps, and u afk farm for the first 15 min of the game?
there are no default skillbuilds for juggernaut, same as for most other heroes.

welp I do hope every juggernaut game i encountered have aforementioned scenarios in it
but then what I see : juggernaut going 0/2 in lane still wna try hard to crit someone then gets destroyed by lina everytime
:C

True Q, is just way better to overlook, however jugg has the survival issues...since he is made of paper :/ thus think going for stats might still be viable... Overall I feel he got weaker in 6.85 :/

People talking about maxing Q not being worth it, let me ask you this: lowering mana cost and cooldown on a bkb-like skill is not ok? Should we also neglect lifestealer's rage and just put one point in it?

Yes, Jug's survivability is in question most of the time that's why I think getting a drum or at least a bracer is pretty much required and an eventual magic stick if the enemies have a lot of low CD spells.

Even in 6.83, people still just put 2 points in stats before lvl 6, you can pretty much do that now also, instead of crit put one lvl in stats and get that bracer to make up for it.