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General DiscussionEarly BKB on Phantom Assassin (~18mins). Is that standard build ?

Early BKB on Phantom Assassin (~18mins). Is that standard build ? in General Discussion
Jonas Kahnwald

    I was fan of this build, early BKB so long time ago. Really, in my perspective Phase boots, deso isnt good.

    - She crits for maybe 300 without any items, and she has what, 900hp mid game?
    - Vladimir's Offering, yeah no, get a Dominator and make it Satanic, let a support worry about Vlad for the auras.
    - Phase Boots ? - I tried this item sometimes on PA, it not really fit for her. Really, still need attack speed

    What do you think??



    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3017741770/builds

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    Zen

      what in the fuck is this post even about ?????

      Jonas Kahnwald

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        Shou

          When u get bkb that early u end up running out of charges rlly fast when instead u can abuse dagger and buy deso and greed out bkb later on so u actually get more time on bkb when it matters.

          Zen

            I mean building bkb early on PA entirely depends on the enemy team.

            Beks

              i think ur smarter than meta and pros

              Shou

                Pa isnt good enough late game to just buy treads and bkb early and transition late game with bigger items, deso and helm abuse her very early power spike.

                Jonas Kahnwald

                  Daddy : I know, its depend on playstyle of each person. I think early BKB, with level 2 Coup de Grace, you can do a lot of damage at this stage. BKB-early, and stick push also made a big problem for enemies !

                  one syllable anglo-saxon

                    didnt u quit dota this morning

                    Jonas Kahnwald

                      през горите през полята : That is past game, ~2 days ago :). Yeah, I did.

                      Jonas Kahnwald

                        Daddy : Same, my perspective when play PA : End game, as soon as possible.

                        1-IceTea 🌟

                          LANTO 10 hours ago
                          This topic is done here.
                          I already leave this game behind my life, uninstalled it. Today is my best day, wake up 6 AM, recycle, doing homework. I clean everything ! Really, this fucking game is made my life so messy. Ok, I'm done with it.
                          Just simply my life.

                          😲...Lanto u install back Dota now!?!?

                          one syllable anglo-saxon

                            i recommend rushing pipe of insight instead of bkb on pa, it's cheaper, gives regen and help your team so you can finish faster!
                            mekansm is even better for that but u need mana to use it so i recommend arcanes which will also help harrassing enemy with daggers

                            Shou

                              Lmao if u want to end fast just buy a deso

                              Jonas Kahnwald

                                1-IceTea : Why the fuck I need to install this game ? Dont you see this match is done 2 days ago. If you want scrutiny, please be smarter. I dont like dummy boy like you, at all. Not welcome ! Understood ?

                                през горите през полята : You do it first. Thank, but not my style

                                doc joferlyn simp

                                  i recommend rushing pipe of insight instead of bkb on pa, it's cheaper, gives regen and help your team so you can finish faster!
                                  mekansm is even better for that but u need mana to use it so i recommend arcanes which will also help harrassing enemy with daggers

                                  In a thread where an 18 minute BKB is considered "standard", I'm not sure if you're shitposting or now. The lack of "kappa" is disturbing.

                                  GLARE

                                    Phase Boots ? - I tried this item sometimes on PA, it not really fit for her. Really, still need attack speed

                                    She gets attack speed from her Phantom Strike. Phase boots is the only boots you buy on PA.

                                    Explain why Deso is bad.
                                    Explain why you favor 30 minute battlefury over Deso.

                                    I really don't understand why you think this even comes close to the current PA build right now.

                                    ^^
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                                      Shou

                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2666871377
                                        As u can see here this pa got a 30 min bf and we won so clearly its a top tier way to play pa.

                                        raptured

                                          i think anything can work at low 4k

                                          try that in a 6k average game and you know the answer

                                          Archer

                                            in this game buying early bkb is good and must if you do not want to feed but it really depends on the game
                                            phase boots is good for damage and also treads is still good

                                            The Medic Guy

                                              This topic is done here.
                                              I already leave this game behind my life, uninstalled it. Today is my best day, wake up 6 AM, recycle, doing homework. I clean everything ! Really, this fucking game is made my life so messy. Ok, I'm done with it.
                                              Just simply my life.

                                              and here we are

                                              BTC

                                                @LANTO
                                                It's not me but this is a PA who build pipe (albeit it's only high skill match) : https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3022203723
                                                She ended up 4 manning (and killing 3) before going down to Alch.

                                                bearcat0611

                                                  I can get vlads deso by the time you get that bkb as a 2k player and then I can snowball really hard because unless there are a ton of disables I can just sit there and 3v1 people because I have like 700 damage crits and a ton of lifesteal especially once i hit lvl 15 plus I push buildings fast. Your still building battlefury but I can have bbkb at this point if I really need it and suddenly my pa has twice as much damage and greater survivability.

                                                  Jonas Kahnwald

                                                    VO, Deso, Phase boots is good in some situations. I just dont get it, simply I cant play PA with 1000 HP.

                                                    Ok, you ask why I make BattleFury late right ? PA has no farming tool, after BKB I still need satanic, and another stuffs. So I made it.

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                                                    bearcat0611

                                                      but with vlads deso you can farm heroes and towers. The meta is early fighting which vlads deso pa is one of the strongest early fighting heroes. Going bkb into bf you limit her ability to fight early and are instead relying on farming for thirty minutes. By the time your pa is ready to fight even the enemy antimage is ready to go so now you are fighting an enemy carry that likely has a decent way of dealing with you or you are fighting from behind because it was a 4v5 in one of the most critical periods of the game. Pa just falls too far behind other carries in the late game.

                                                      Jonas Kahnwald

                                                        If you farm hero, and got highest streak, once you die. Enemy have huge exp, and gold. Btw, its depends. I still never get phase boots, vla, deso. Perhaps not my style.

                                                        In this game, you think I play farming PA ? No way, I fighting early with team, mate. Play PA farming too much is wrong way.

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                                                        doc joferlyn simp

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                                                          LAST MATCH
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                                                          LANTO 10 hours ago
                                                          This topic is done here.
                                                          I already leave this game behind my life, uninstalled it. Today is my best day, wake up 6 AM, recycle, doing homework. I clean everything ! Really, this fucking game is made my life so messy. Ok, I'm done with it.
                                                          Just simply my life.

                                                          Well? Don't you have a place to be, being Dota-sober?

                                                          Jonas Kahnwald

                                                            Signor Jose Rapira Rizal : let see from now till future, I dont play this game anymore.

                                                            CUTNPASTE

                                                              Phase aquila vanguard deso lvl 10 hp talent and run at them, if you need bkb first item PA was a terrible pick.

                                                              Xignum

                                                                if you didnt play farming PA why did you even get a BF,and you acn solve the problem by not dying in the first place

                                                                Player 404335202

                                                                  Lanto sir please tell me how to quit too .. Shitty game

                                                                  Măcel Marcel

                                                                    Battlefury PA is this still a thing ?

                                                                    doc joferlyn simp

                                                                      Old dogs can't learn new tricks.

                                                                      Shou

                                                                        ^retards gonna tard
                                                                        Autists gonna aut
                                                                        Dipshits gonna shit

                                                                        Cripple Ninja

                                                                          i think Hotd or echo sabre is better than bf ....
                                                                          damage item should be manta or deso
                                                                          you kill the enemy when you crit is lv 2-3
                                                                          and know how the crit will trigger

                                                                          Lokieleven

                                                                            No, you'll have no farming speed. You don't want to be teamfighting early as a pa.
                                                                            A good pa will farm, look for pick offs and split. Unless you have an all push team than it is understandable, but early bkb is almost never an option