ughhhhhh..................please read about the cleave dmg mechanics,
and desolator for what? its waste of gold on sven
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feels Meh. not that it is so super terrible on him. its more of an opportunity cost thing where there are way better items
Deso is a shit item in general, unless you get it early (<20 min) or you're a pusher-type hero and use it to mow down structures. My opinion.
also playstyle issues, the hero needs regen/lifesteal to sustain
if you opt in for deso you cant get morbid/mom/satanic which the hero really needs at some point.
r u guys dumb? armor reduction does affect cleave, the cleave dmg is based on the original targets armor, so if u lower their armor u will cleave more. cleave only ignores armor on the heroes taking the cleave dmg not the direct attack.
basically if ur hitting a dazzle with sven and there is a lich behind him, and u as sven have deso, the cleave dmg that lich takes is determined by DAZZLE'S armor, but if lich frost armors himself and has extra armor on HIMSELF, that armor does not affect the cleave dmg he takes.do not be mistaken tho desolator is horrible on sven, he gains more dps from strength items that get multiplied by god's strength
if anyone needed more proof that 600 mmr ppl shouldnt give their opinion, here u go folks!
its not an opinion, if I'm wrong than its a fact that's wrong, and if I'm right its a fact that's right, there is no opinion involved here.
also I'm 700 mmr now fuck u.
it's not a bad idea but sven is kiteable so items that give movement speed or tanky items is a must have he already got a huge damage boost from gs and cuirass is better or so i think
ok let me rephrease it for u:
u shouldnt give opinions because u dont even know facts
hope that cleared it up!
@Daddy : I wonder why you keep wandering around in dotabuff, shitposting. But you dont read anything in the blogs?
Cleave damage always same whatever target you hit except you hit creep when you have qb/talon/bf
that's why PA 5 bf meme dagger to creep, NOT because creep have low armor but because that 140% dmg bf do to creep
lemao I misunderstood, it is only affected by armor type of the original target not value
my bad
I'm still confused how this makes what I said an opinion, its a misunderstanding of a fact, that doesn't mean that me being wrong means I shudnt give an opinion the logical connection here doesn't exist.
^it is increased by qb and talon
also increased by the sb bonus dmg out of invis and feast.
bf ls incoming? 
Wasn't the whole pa bf meme based on qb dmg?
But seriously desolator is really bad on sven. There are way better items that helps the hero.
https://www.dotabuff.com/blog/2016-06-28-explaining-cleave-damage-and-how-to-deal-with-it
It's based off your dmg, is not reduced by armor.
Yeh I don't understand all that but still wouldn't base my
Decision on that item
Based solely off of cleave anyway. Just doesn't feel like you need that item.
r u guys dumb? armor reduction does affect cleave, the cleave dmg is based on the original targets armor, so if u lower their armor u will cleave more. cleave only ignores armor on the heroes taking the cleave dmg not the direct attack.
basically if ur hitting a dazzle with sven and there is a lich behind him, and u as sven have deso, the cleave dmg that lich takes is determined by DAZZLE'S armor, but if lich frost armors himself and has extra armor on HIMSELF, that armor does not affect the cleave dmg he takes.
^I goofed and apologized u actual shithead
I sincerely hope u have 2 beautiful children who both die brutally of cancer
Let's make it simple
Physical damage is reduced by armor
Cleave is pure damage in percentage of the physical damage AFTER reduction
^no because pure dmg wud go thru ghost scepter and cleave does not
cleave is physical dmg that ignores armor, simple
I know these shit WITH SPENDING 5 DOLLA IN GAMELEAP
If qb dont stack with cleave i'll ask for refund ty
scarboy you are wrong. It *might* have worked like that in the past, I really don't remember, but it definitely doesn't now. Which is why on sven you can slaughter high armor heroes like dragon knight with cleave and barely tickle them if you target them. Same with PA and dodges since you can't dodge cleave.
Cleave is a % of your tooltip dmg period. It's physical but not modified by armor. So if sven has 100 dmg and rank 4 cleave he does 66 dmg to everything he hits. Read the article I posted.
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Is deso useful for sven because haven't see any ppl try the meta before and if buy deso in early game his damage will high like a skyrocket and nobody will have armor