Its shit. Basically with change in this hero, increasing armor in ulti, reducing damage and no bash, i see him nothing more as shitty support.
Yes there are games that monkey owns as carry, but so is with games where carry is io, techies or whatever, he is just shit carry now, thats the fact
Great safe lane carry, really underrated imo, I might even say he is OP & I think we will see a lot of MK core in TI. As a core he received only buff after buff, only nerf to bash in ultimate. His new ultimate solved his main problem - lack of armor, besides bash, it's much better than before. His late game is insanely strong, don't know how you can compare him to IO, seriously. I would rather have 6 slotted MK than Jugg/Luna. For people who find him too weak in terms of survability (outside ulti) - get evasion talent & buy halberd. With it & echo, aquilla, phase, you have like 14 armor, 37% evasion & 2k hp, not to mention you still hit like a truck. All u can have in 20min & add on top of that (+14 armor from lvl 2 ultimate).
Tbh MK can be played in pretty much all roles, besides hard support. I actually think roamer (as he is currently played/was played in competitive) is his worst role (besides hard support). His best role imo is mid lane, he does really well in lane vs all heroes, who don't have big slows (QoP, Viper, Venom), blinds/100% evasion (Tinker, WR), orb walkers (Silencer, Clinkz) & Ursa. He destroys heroes like Storm, Invoker, Ember in lane.
He's good if enemies can't escape your ult, like they are melee and you have slows or something like underlord or magnus to line em up. If enemies don't cluster or can easily disengage he is bad. That's pretty much it. His ult can wipe teams if setup right.
Mk can shit stomp certain mid matchups
He destroys storm, and can even beat Lina, cuz of how paper her armor is
Idk abt safelane but mk is definitely a good carry.
Basically u have echo and Deso rlly fast and start dealing retarded dmg
Feels bad against kotl and venge who can interrupt his ult
Try playing against a monkey king and support offlane. He's a strong dual laner
is a safe lane undying any good? a safelane undying with 15 mins sceptre and guardian greaves will own any team fight. and then feed 35 mins in lose to an antimage or sven.
same logic to monkey king. he doesn't need items to be useful. you can put him in a dual offlane or roam. leave safe lane to a hero that can benefit from free farm.
^his ultimate & boundless strike scale with farm. He carries nearly as hard as those heroes u mentioned (depending on the game, can even carry harder) & can do much more early on (huge solo kill potential). Seriously you are being super ignorant. You clearly never seen good MK carry/mid.
Actually MK scales very well with farm. He is definitely a viable safe lane carry but contingent on the support knowing how to babysit him well as Prior to farm he is too squishy (-1 armor I think). Hence in the context of pub games he is not viable. Just my 2 cents.
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Gecko
You can pressure as well as ursa because of jingu and the passive gives you lifesteal so you can trade in lane efficiently.
^He is not that squishy. His STR gain is good & you are forgetting that his lifesteal is amazing. Most people use his Boundless Strike to "stun enemies" instead as strong nuke (with jingu bonus) who can get you from 10% hp to 100% hp. There are not many offlaners who can trade hits with him, he wins most 1v1 match ups.
Wtf dude with just echo and desolator u can start one shotting supports
And once u get farm almost no one can fight in ur ultimate
You only get lifesteal after 4 hits. You need a good support to help lock down hence my statement about a good support. Unlike say Slark you do not have a reliable escape once ganked and hence my statement for the need for a good babysitter.
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Gecko
No one can fight in your ult but they can just avoid it, and then you're like a worse PA,AM,single target right clicker though you have a long cd stun that's borderline op.
U fight around boundless strike cuz the skill is incredible
Ideally u stun, bkb, ult, then the echo sabre procs help keep em in the ulti
It's good for pubs. If you want to be extra spicy and your opponents have bad catch stack rapiers and play around boundless strike lategame.
The monkey does scale well, and his abilities do too, but lets be real here guys. Real late-game cores:
Chaos Knight
Troll Warlord
Anti Mage
Spectre
Phantom Lancer
Terror Blade
Do you think these cores give two shits about a late game monkey king? They might face problems if the monkey is snowballing in the mid-game, but come late game and these cores get their items, it's fried monkey for dinner.
In other words, if you're running position 1 monkey king, then your team strategy should be to end the game within 20-30 min, max 40, esp if you have any one of these cores on the opposite team
^Too much theory crafting. He can do well & even outcarry those heroes, depending on team's composition & farm. He is also real late game core, insanely strong, you clearly lack experience of the hero. I also think that he carries harder than Troll in pretty much every lategame game, when equal farm. AM is a tricky one - if u have a way to deal with his split push & just teamfight, MK is actually better imo, if he has same farm. He is decent vs PL, because he can find the real one (jingu stacks showing over the head of real PL) & I'm pretty sure his ultimate hits only real PL. MK might not be top3 late game carries, but he is still top late game carry, with insane early-mid game.
He is a good carry but team has to protect him and play around his ultimate. His ultimate is good for offense not so good for defense and you need lock down.
Match up wise heroes with blink such as AM is difficult for MK as they can blink out of your ultimate. MK can deal with illusion heroes like CK and PL provided he can get jump on them, keep them in ultimate and have battle fury. Long range heroes like sniper, enchantress who knows what they are doing molest MK's hairy ass anyday.
In essence he is relatively more team dependent than other cores to be optimally effective and one will find it hard to come by in a pub game; or at least a normal skill pub game.
Regards
Gecko
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Been seeing some games where people play carry mk. Is it viable? Comparision between other carries like jugg luna slark?