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General DiscussionViper is support now?

Viper is support now? in General Discussion
bibotot1995

    They just had to fuck up Nethertoxin. This was the skill that made Viper so dangerous in lane. Last hitting is a blast with it. Screwing those Shadow Fiend players in mid all day. With no damage skill left in the early game, Viper will, in my opinion, best be played as a support. Maybe as an offlane as well, but he is much less scary alone then he used to be and needs to lane with someone else to do shit.

    Alright, so with one passive skill becoming an active and no increase in mana, I am guessing Viper will buy Arcane Boots into Aghanim Scpeter. Rod of Atos is also good since the root prevents the enemy from moving out of the Nethertoxin affected area.

    I just saw some videos of Viper on Youtube, and they were painful. So many occasions where he lets the prey get away where a sure kill would have been before. How do you think? Will his winrate plummet as a result of this change? I don't think I will be carrying or ganking solo as Viper anytime soon.

    Väinämöinen

      no one cares about 3k theorycraft pls can you stop

      RIP

        well its true that viper isnt a carry anymore

        Väinämöinen

          ^im sure someone that spams slark now is an expert when it comes to the new patch

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          bearcat0611

            if you play right click viper now I think you have to go phase into midas because you just need level 25 as fast as possible.

            inx

              safelane carry imo

              bearcat0611

                the goal of his changes was clearly to make the hero less of a pain in the ass in the early game and probably allow him to scale better (though I think they failed to do this). The better way to do this imo was to make nethertoxin give viper like 4% of the targets max hp as bounus damage. 4% at max level with it scaling, possibly reduce this number if it's too good. Since they likely won't get rid of the new active you could also tie this to poison attack so now the bonus damage would have a mana cost to it, and wouldn't go through bkb.

                Totentanz to The King: M ...

                  holy shit man you are pathetic you are barely 3k yourself and you are flaming people for giving their opinions. just kys honestly

                  Väinämöinen

                    any cares?

                    the difference is i dont spam dotabuff with retarded hero suggestions like axe right click or viper support 24/7

                    3k cant even play dota, why does anyone at 3k think they should theorycraft anything. ffs when i read 3k saying "viper is a SPELLER" now

                    i mean cmonbruh

                    literally no one cares, ho watch some pros or high mmr games and st fu

                    Chiwa

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                      Dire Wolf

                        His win rate has already dropped 3% this week so either people are having a hard time adjusting or he's too shitty in lane now.

                        But yes his skill set doesn't scream carry anymore. I guess that's ok? He still doesn't offlane that well though so he's like a utility mid.

                        Väinämöinen

                          isnt the meta going to shift towards utility mid anyway?