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General Discussion7.21 Battle Fury on Anti mage. Alternative Build?

7.21 Battle Fury on Anti mage. Alternative Build? in General Discussion
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    Played a game with the new battlefury as Anti mage and it immediately felt incredibly weak, mainly because it doesn't clear waves as fast as it used to. Win rate's dropped considerably as well. Alternative builds to consider without dropping too low on mana?

    pain

      no... its just a nerf to am, since u still have to go for it. best u can do is to get some early dmg to compensate the change

      Marko Bulat

        No, AM cant farm with anything else thats not a fury, it was super good with his blink now its slow as fuck and you cant really afford 40mins afk farming because your team will need you, try other heroes, even in pr0s hands that hero has shitty winrate in this patch.

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        DSP

          ask your team mates to pick Magnus :D

          Story Time

            what about Vlads + Maelstrom? Good old replacement for BF

            Marko Bulat

              Needs testing but i doubt AM will farm faster with maelstorm than bf, or will he? :thinking:

              Im at work anyone feels like doing couple of bot matches, for science?!

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              Spírít

                AM's win rate once he gets a BF is around 51%, and his win rate with Mjollnir is around 70% (due to the large attack speed boost and magic damage mixed in). Mjollnir only costs 1200 more than a BF but also provides no sustain.

                I think a lot of players will try alternate builds and will sorely miss the passive HP/MP regen of BF. The only way to compensate for this is being PERFECT with your tread switches every time you blink, and padding your early game with wraith bands + treads to keep your HP decent.

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                CNP

                  Mael AM is pretty dog, you need mana regen to sustain blinking. I think the hero is just nerfed quite a bit, kinda sad because I was binning people in 7.20. That being said the hero is still fine as a counterpick/lastpick in the right game.

                  Story Time

                    ^but you get some mana from valds/ring of basilius/one clarity

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                    死の恐怖 Haseo

                      You buy a magnus in your team

                      Spírít

                        @Kotato mjollnir + vlads will cost 7500, and BF only costs 4400. That is a huge amount of gold difference to get to the same level of farming/regen speed, not to mention vlads only gives 1.75 mana regen vs the 3.5ish of a BF. And a maelstrom on its own is definitely not as good as a BF, it is only worth considering if you make it all the way to a finished mjollnir.

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                        Story Time

                          @Kotato mjollnir + vlads will cost 7500, and BF only costs 4400. That is a huge amount of gold difference to get to the same level of farming/regen speed, not to mention vlads only gives 1.75 mana regen vs the 3.5ish of a BF. And a maelstrom on its own is definitely not as good as a BF, it is only worth considering if you make it all the way to a finished mjollnir.

                          if you say so it must be true. Surely there are no other factors besides the ones you mention

                          Spírít

                            Would you care to actually mention any of these other factors you allude too?

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                            Story Time

                              ^one factor: you get maelstrom much sooner than bf and go to farm jungle earlier (1500 gold difference is basically 5 min earlier)

                              another factor: calrities solve mana issue for afk jungle farming

                              another factor: maelstrom does more damage than BF in fights

                              JDF8

                                alt build: build into picking lifestealer

                                Story Time

                                  ^very alt but true

                                  Marko Bulat

                                    Yeah thats the part i dont understand people are going all around "Pog Lifestealer buffs! Naix is back guys!!!"
                                    But is he back? Ok harder to kite, sure, but he still farms slow as fuck and you are literaly forced to go radi build or hit creep by creep like a dum-dum whole game, thats tiring as fuck. but radi is only item that suits him...

                                    JDF8

                                      2 armor and 15 ms are individually massive buffs, especially for a low armor hero. he wrecks a lot of the old meta heroes this patch, which helps because people are slow to change

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                                      Switchblades

                                        i think alrenatve build is boots windlance and 10 tps and walk down mid and rinse repeat.

                                        CNP

                                          Buy a midas on naix you retards, the hero doesn't farm slow with midas.

                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/players/86985308/matches?date=week&hero=lifestealer&enhance=overview

                                          A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘 (My Chat is

                                            Bf is still good IMO, but not great. Bf plus vlads and manta is great , plus you can join every teamfight with it and not die in most cases.

                                            vraska2021

                                              i just watched a jug go straight phase into straight bf and he ulted and got 3 hits off total doing around 25% of a bh hp
                                              i think id still rather see this version of jug over any am atm tbh

                                              cartel

                                                my personal favorite is treads vlads maelstorm sny mjollnir heart