I thought it was kinda weird to have his stun shove the target away from him as a melee hero. Yeah, it plays well with his ulti but still...
Spear of Mars is Powershot and Shackleshot combined and has knockback. It's an amazing skill.
This hero is best as a greedy pos 4, you want good positioning to land a stun early game, so roaming around helps that.
You can farm creeps with Spear+2nd skill later on to get your Blink or whatever.
The hero falls off real quick as none of his skills affect BKB. People will realise he's better off as support real soon and the winrate will only keep rising.
Yeah, I'm pretty much agreed he is more suited to tanky supp roamer. Mars actually doesn't really scale well with more item (only his 2nd skill which has 10 scnds CD). This guy also has severe mana capacity problem if he doesn't make arcane boot, but while his spear is pretty decent, it is still a solo only stuns and it need special condition to trigger stun do I doubt he could be useful enough as a supp on a chaotic lane
Trust me, i played support Mars. His diving skill is amazing that even Pudge or Ogre Magi out tanked by his 3rd skill. Even at level 3, Mars has the same reduction as level 7 Bristle. His first skill is basiclly poorman Powershot + Shackleshot. The problem is his mana barely manageable (even with arcane and soul ring). Vladmir and Drum should do the trick, but he won't have greedier defensive item. The ridicolous part that his ultimate is the cooler version of Kinetic Field, with at level 3, the cooldown is 60 second. You can literally combo this with anything (especially Static Storm, Epicenter, Will o' Wisp, Wukong's Command etc.) Since your ally and yourself can go in or out. The best part? It has only 0.1 cast point and 550 radius. So yeah, a solid anti carry in my opinion pretty balanced after all (unlike the you-know-who)
I haven't really seen any strong Mars players so far. Won 5/6 of my matches against him, and haven't had a Mars on my team yet. I'm not really feeling these carry builds where they build around the shield bash with lifesteal and attack modifiers. Ability is on a 10 second cooldown with pretty garbage range.
Just see mars guides item builds. Go pos 4 mars with soul ring and bottle/clarities. It's pretty OP.
Mars is insane. He is broken level, feels better than tide before the nerfs.
1) He has kill potential with any roamer/support. You just need a bit of damage to kill supports provided by somebody else. Last game it was trilane (earthspirit, slark and AA) and still won it hard with roaming riki.
2) The skills are so strong - Q is insane stun and relocation spell (when fighting under enemy tower, you can just send him away), W is amazing farming spell - you almost oneshot creepwave, E is good for trading and ulti is amazing untill bkb. And by than you have blink so you can actually jump, throw spear and ulti before they can BKB.
3) Mana isnt issue if you know how to use it - W is enough to farm really fast (either camps or waves), so you are using Q and R only for teamfights (or ocassionally for big waves and depush). It costs 70 mana on 10 sec cooldown. With lvl 15, wand, vladmir and echo sabre you have regen 5.5, so if you use it 6 times in a minute, you are losing 90 mana in this minute. You have 660 mana, which means you are free to use for 7 minutes your W every 10 seconds. And if you use clarity you actually gain 280 mana within minute. I am thinking about switching into vladmir+necro, which provides almost 7mana/second and spawns are amazing to support push.
I would say it is better to play Mars in the offlane, as he is really good early game with XP and can kill anybody. He just needs boots, blink and vladmir and he is good to go and kill anything.
This hero will get so many nerfs it is not even nice.
Being able to ban mars in unrank match is fkn stupid. I played 5 games in a row he was ban. How are we suppose to play a new hero if he's just unavailable all the time?
i wish the q stun scaled based on distance somehow
being yeeted from melee range across the screen into 5 second stun is not exactly fun
For me personally i don't like his first spell, i love skill shots but this is one of the easiest to hit, interaction is weird to me, close to useless as stun without blink, dmg is ok but just not fun spell at all for me, only make sense with ulti.
Cleave is good, 3rd spell is ok and ulti amazing,the aoe is real big making it bit too strong with many heroes.
wat arin says,his stun is just too fucking retarded and dragon knight doesnt deal that much of a damage
he fucking fun to play tho cause he op and new stuff
I think there will be nerfs to everything maybe except ultimate. Generally it goes from left to right based on the brokenness - Q being most broken and ulti being the least. That is broken especially because of other spells being so strong. In itself, any magic imunity or jump is enough to get out of it, so there are plenty heroes able to get out. I didnt check if force staff works but I suppose it does as well.
So ulti is quite fine, the rest of the spells needs nerfing.
Especially the spear - speed, maybe as well distance, duration of the stun - if you compare it for example with Miranas arrow, the duration is similar, it has higher range but much lower range and no relocation.
Rebuke - I guess CD will go to something like 12-14 seconds lvl 4, and either damage or mana cost be nerfed - for 100 mana you can just farm any camp with a very little.
For Bulwark I wouldnt be surprised if it was changed into active (something like antimage), so you have basic somewhere around 50% and active to block for 2 seconds 100% from the front.
A great pusher at that, try rush him deso and travel + cuirras and RAT everytime his ult goes on cd. This guy can laugh at towers only with HoD's regen early on.
Agreed about greedy pos 4 part, with his reposition and stun skills, he can shake any single hero tries to defend the tower (since TP on the same tower gets longer the more hero incoming) but remember to always put ward behind the tower/ nearby cliff available to avoid ganks.
Can easily defend pos 5 or any allies being chased by just dropping ult on the enemy chasing team (low cd ult so its worth it, or even can be followed by counter initiate).
Clears wave with just 1 skills if positioned right on the creepwave.
Works wonder with NP, both skill Q is very compatible (off course the likes of MK, Lich, Rhasta, Witch Doctor and any -do not stay still- ult is great combo wombo with his ult).
All I know is I'm retiring from ranked games until this sucker is either nerfed to where low ranked players don't want to touch him, or people learn his role. I'm getting so sick of people on my team first picking him either for mid or hard carry, then proceeding to build all raw damage and absolutely nothing else. One my person in one of my games just kept stacking daedalus'. We lost that match, and I think I've lost almost every game this patch where Mars was on my team.
He's the Chad hero. Don't play him if you're a betafag that waits for your team to start the fight while you stand behind them and do basically nothing. You pick Mars to control the game and dominate the game. That's why you go mid. Go treads, drums, deso(get a hood if lots of magic dmg) get BKB or satanic (depending if they have magic dmg or right click) go take Rosh then go knock on their rax. If you're the type of player that waits around for your team to do stuff, he's shit.
^What if he seems to fit my playstyle completely but I'm dogshit mid? Is he viable as pos 3-4? Haven't had the chance to play dota since March 1.
He's good at 3 and 4 I just prefer him in a role that gets more farm bc you can become this unkillable tank that has 1200 dmg crits and can life steal from 100hp to full hp with satanic and a multi person crit.
If you're gonna play him that way id get something like Mana boots, crimson, greaves, etc. I think greaves is meh on him bc I build more dmg/tank items. I would personally go POS 3, go treads, drums, get Hood, deso,, bkb. That gives you good survivability and then depending on the game get whatever else. I don't think he's a utility only hero and his Mana pool sucks for active abilities. I'm pretty sure he's designed to be a brawler type of hero
Hmm I see. From the videos I watched I was thinking that early radiance+veil and shiva's might fit him too, due to the low cd ulti and his "let's chase heroes 'till their t4s" kind of playstyle. Or blink+early blademail (+ lotus later in the game) to force heroes to either die from his ulti by trying to run away or die from the bm dmg by being forced to attack him. Especially vs heavy magical dmg lineups, that he seems to be weak against. Also his 1st skill looks like a mix of shackle and skewer, blink might be a core item. Idk I can't say anything for now, thanks for clearing some things up
Reason I don't like radiance is bc it takes too long to get and you have a very long vulnerable period where you're likely not able to contribute as much as you could have if you build into an armlet or something. After some research I think a good build rn is to go treads, armlet, sange and yasha, blink, satanic, assault cuirass. Throw a bkb in there, you're good.
Really any early fighting items will work and some people even build atos on him.
So what does radiance offer? Raw dmg and a blinding aoe dmg spell that allows you to farm even more so you're gonna continue to be useless for the next 5 to 10 minutes. Hopefully your team hasn't lost all the 4 v 5 fights yet and fed the enemy team.
Mars benefits from raw dmg and tankability. He's not weak to physical dmg so we need to buff his main weakness. Magic burst. We do this by purchasing items that increase the HP of our hero so we can tank more spells. This good stuff also has natural magic resist too so if we build hp items and a hood, we won't die easily.
Items that offer no HP or mobility aren't good for Mars bc he wants to stay alive. I like to opt to go for, phase, drums, deso, sange and Yasha, bkb or satanic and you will have so much status resistance as well.
I would go for a radiance if you're dumpstering or playing versus people a lower rank than you
^You're right about radiance, it's the reason why I queue it up during games but then never really go for it. It's just that I love that item so much for some reason lol
We'll see, can't wait to try him
Yeah no I get it, back when I was a few years in I would try to fit radiance in bc it is a cool item and it does help you farm passively and can do a lot of dmg. Now i usually only build it on certain heroes but even still I think it's a weaker item since the meta is about earlier fighting and tanking spells. It can be decent late-game too if you're staying alive in fights, it can prevent people from blinking away and it'll do lots of dmg in fights, but only if you're alive to do the dmg.
He's great at locking down evasive heros like clinkz. Just trap them in the arena and beat on em!
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Spear of Mars was a fine skill, it is a bit OP because it can push enemies back but the CD is normal and the stuns won't proc unless it hit trees/cliff/his ult.
His 2nd skill was pretty good, but the aoe is short, I'd say only the dmg was a bit higher than I thought but Mars got really slow BAT anyway.
3rd skill was overrated, only useful against 1v1 right click engangement, tanking tower, but isn't even as useful as BB since u generally can't run if u want to tank but outright manfighting isn't Mars' forte.
Ulti was a fancy trick which is useless if not combined with Mars spear, the cooldown is a bit too low though, need to be increased on its CD.
Overall, he has good base dmg, armor, and MS like most STR heroes and people just banning him because they just assume everytime their team get wiped, it's the stupid icefrog fault and Mars to justify themselves. Even Pudge was more OP than Mars but no one mentioned it because people just hate Mars joining the 'OP' bandwagon