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General DiscussionNecrophos ult

Necrophos ult in General Discussion
ETd

    I’ve always used it to finish off a kill and ensure that they get the extra death timer. But with a long-ass cooldown, is it worth it to use it as merely the stun? I’ve gotten flak from teammates for “waiting to ks” with reaper instead of using it to lock down a kill target on initiation.

    Lruce Bee

      Ignore your teammates

      DSP

        stupid teammates

        ShiftingSkys

          As a Necro Main since the hero sucked I often have to disregard the pubs about ult usage. Do not waste Necro ult especially in the EARLY GAME on unimportant support kills- The Ult CD is too Long. Only use it on supports if they are on a streak or your about to die and need the regen OR if its a 1v1 situation. Don't gank 3v1 and Ult. Even if the kill gets away. As far AS using it as a Stun I use it as a STUN if the hero is fast or has a BKB- Ill Ult Juggs while spinning, BKB'd SF's trying to ult. Treat it like you would ravage- Its main use of "Necro gets the kill" is for the synergy with the heal not the gold or XPM. Your not trying to use it to shift gold or XPM to you. Use it in teamfights to heal with W. Here is an example. You and a Lion go to gank Juggs- Juggs sees you and spins and tp's You walk up asnd Ult- When his spin ends Lion hex's stuns you Q and lion ults JUggs dies. here is a bad usage- Just hit 6- your mid rotates Necro + Qop She is in trees she ults runs our and screams and is about to blink away- Juggs had 55%% HP Veng has 25% You know Veng will die if you ult- DONT. for the Next 2 min Juggs knows you cant do shit to him. Veng will swap you in and fuck you six ways to sunday- Your qop if hes a retard will rage- DONT LISTEN. You ult for Kill streak, fast as Fuck heroes, magic Immune heroes OR Your dying and need a desperate support ult to heal up. Don't go around the map Ravaging CM's and Lions. PLEASE

          shady_stuff

            dam what a necro spammer considering he plays 3 other heroes more
            wdym u man u talking shit or something i ravage for ranged creeps dawg

            Cheap Laugh Guy

              Like ^^ said save it for big cores and fights.

              Rocket

                Saving big ults early game is stupid 99% of the time. Always Ravage/black hole/scythe etc. for even a support pickoff.

                Important to save them later on for deterrent value but not before teams are looking for big engagements.

                ShiftingSkys

                  That is such bad advise rocket- a Stray CM is worth 138-225 Gold if not on a Kill Streak and respawns in 10 seconds if your ult doesn't lock. Even if it does the additional respawn time has little to no effect on a support. If you ult that CM- your Map presence is literally gone at lvl 6 vs most cores. Its like a WK letting himself die simply because he has another life and will live- When that ult is on its 2 Min CD you have to play more cautiously and can make less risky plays allowing opponents to Gain Ground. Once again Pls do not hold your ult for 45 min but pls for god sake don't solo Black hole a lvl 5 CM.

                  varjager

                    Its not worth using a big ulti for a support, im not sure about finger of death cause it stacks and will scale. The times ive held back and saved finger of death for another target havent really payed off and to be honest its kinda annoying seeing lion get alot of stacks with his ulti.

                    Totentanz to The King: M ...

                      it depends.

                      ShiftingSkys

                        It doesn't pay off Because your not making use of it. When I hit lvl 6- I literally do everything in my power to gank a core. When you provide almost 4 seconds of stun and a 400 Damage Nuke 90% of cores will die with a smoke gank. SF farming mid? By smoke run up Hex Spike Ult. Ez Stack- And were also talking a Lion as a Support I'm talking about a CORE necro. If your laning vs a Drow + Support and U ult the Support in 15 seconds they respawn and for ALMOST 2 minutes the Drow KNOWS you cant kill her. She can maximize farm when most heroes are still on the map. its just awful.

                        Khalilov

                          Necro pickers dog think they’re good at dota

                          Rocket

                            it really isn’t that straightforward. Keeping big ults later in the game is sensible but early in the game it’s just inefficient. Necro needs to be farming, not hiding in the trees scaring the other team. Get ult/use ult/farm rinse and repeat till stuff gets serious.

                            ShiftingSkys

                              Lmao You are a riki necro spammer LOL Nice troll :D

                              Disturbed Jawker

                                just press r if u can take objective with it

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                                ETd

                                  Thanks for all the advice, but I think the question was slightly mucked up and unclear. I meant to ask about killing a certain target; I get flamed for not kicking off the pickoff attempt with necro ult as the stun; I try to save it until I finish off the kill with ult, to put those extra seconds on the timer, because I don’t see the logic in using a 120 second CD ultimate JUST for its stun, but rather its ability to keep a target dead for a longer period of time, which is why I save it “ks”.

                                  MuLLi

                                    Ofc u can use it as STUN if your team can then kill the hero. Usually low skill games using it to stun won't lead to kill and it is wasted ulti.

                                    It is question about trust. Do u trust your team or not

                                    ShiftingSkys

                                      It really depends- As explained in my earlier post. I am a Heavy necro user- I Cast the ult to finish the target 80% of the time. The only acceptable time IMHO to use the ult as a STUN is to prevent a massive teamfight ult or to Stun through BKB to prevent a TP or something.

                                      Goosh

                                        Necro ult shouldnt be used as a stun. It is meant to Kill and to add to death timer. Anyone who is mad at you for not using the "stun" part of the skill to initiate is either retarded or just low MMR. You are not to be blamed for the fact that your team didnt pick any BKB piercing stuns and Necro ult is the only thing that will work. IMO anytime a necro ult doesnt successfully kill is a missused necro ult. Any necro player that doesnt kill on 95% of their ults is doing something wrong

                                        Androgynous

                                          if the stun lets your team get in range to kill a core that would have otherwise escaped, it's worth using. it's stupid to say you should absolutely never use it in that way just like how it's also dumb to say you should -only- use it to guarantee kills.

                                          majority of times it'll be used to guarantee kills but there are exceptions to rules. better players will recognise these exceptions. also if you're coordinated you can stun and trust your team will follow up and do enough damage during the stun duration for it to kill.

                                          S i N

                                            i just use it whenever whoever, dunno seems to work. i'm just pleb player tho

                                            kuci

                                              I love to bait fucking jugg player to spin with half hp thinking he can just ult me when he finish the spin when i man up and ult him before they realize I'm not gonna wait till their spin ends, oh the horror