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The worst heroes of Dota in General Discussion
Hanen

    While everyone's talking about what heroes wins their games, I wanna talk about the worst ones.

    What's the worst hero in dota in your opinion? Not just in this patch but has been a little lackluster in terms of game impact since forever, either because it is too situational or just needs too much work for it to be viable/impactful in game.

    Also what are some heroes you dread seeing your teammates pick in a pub game?

    Murranji

      I have never had a good experience with earth spirit. Maybe there are good players, I have never had one on my team.

      Also luckily I haven’t seen him for years but previously almost all of the 30 or so times I’ve had a lone Druid on my team he has gone jungle to farm a radiance - about a 33% winrate with lone Druid.

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      Peggle Enjoyer

        warlock

        Oldman

          Ive seen some good Lone Druids and Earth Spirits but never a decent Batrider.

          pain

            Pudge and mirana. Every time is a loss.

            .duDudu

              every heroes have their ups and downs
              but i would say pudge, judging based on tournaments/events because i played from 2015 and have very rarely seen pudge got 1st phase banned on competitive matches

              LucaManny

                I'll go with classic old school answer:

                Techies

                Shm1l:)

                  Worst hero is hero that you hate to see in game. For some reason.
                  I hate viper, boring hero annoying to deal with, counter pick for one of mine favorite TA(for most of time), and and the and never seen any big pro play with him. Even when he was in meta, no big play. I don`t say he is bad or that he haven`t see any play, just boring hero for me. Boring to play too.

                  K1nG

                    i think its jakiro?

                    Väinämöinen

                      jakiro was one of the most picked heros with a 70% winarte in one of the recent tournaments :)

                      the worst hero has to be pudge.

                      Aldaron

                        I hate playing with Pudge and Techies. Those heroes need to make so much impact to be useful, but people can't even set up a hook or mines. And of course, when enemy pick them, they know what to do.

                        Hanen

                          Dude, lone druid is what I fear my teammates picking. I wish I could play him well I've tried, even for someone who enjoys the micro aspect of the game he really is at the bottom of the rug right now isn't he?

                          Thing is, he kinda hasn't changed much since the dota 1 days & the games are just getting faster. If you wanted a companion or just a regular push dude lycan could easily take that place. Don't tell me how his true value lies in being a 12 slotted hero, that's kinda overkill, 6 is more than enough to end a game.

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                          kowareta

                            100% lone druid
                            even a top 1000 lone druid player cant win 4k trash game on his own
                            feelsbadman

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                            varjager

                              I would even say Jakiro is a bit underrated.

                              I agree that pudge might be the worst hero in dota. He is way overrated and should be nerfed cause no hero in the game should have a 40% pickrate. I wouldnt mind him getting a serious nerf only to force people to stop playing him. Lower all damage rot/hook, increase cooldowns. Lower his strength gain and rot slow. Nerf flesh heap range and go back to 4 stages of hook range and nerf range at level 4.

                              uta

                                @Kowareta yes he can we had that situation like 4 days ago when our offlane druid solo won the game while we were sucking

                                kowareta

                                  dont compare ur bracket to mine plz. tnx.
                                  my jakiro cant use his fucking spell on tower or enemy, all he know is pulling wave and farming them. he even cant pressure enemy objectives with me, like we can get tier 2 and 1 < min 14 but he prefer tp top and feed enemy pos 1. despite im asking him to help me nonstop in human common language.

                                  with this ape who dont know shit about objectives , u cant have a good start and u will suck!

                                  Tu tayta

                                    Techies. Not for any game winning or losing reason, but I still don't think there should exist a hero which fundamentally changes the way the game has to be played by presence alone.

                                    Kyleteezy

                                      Techies players are the biggest villains in every que

                                      LucaManny

                                        ^271 WR games played

                                        Better u kys

                                        9o_o6

                                          ogre, pudge, potm, sf are some of the most game losing heroes.

                                          K1nG

                                            i think every heroes are op if its played in a right match by a good player with good hero and game knowledge? idk its like mageE am and gh io/es

                                            Yami Yugi

                                              Not just in this patch but has been a little lackluster in terms of game impact since forever, either because it is too situational or just needs too much work for it to be viable/impactful in game

                                              Lone Druid

                                              Also what are some heroes you dread seeing your teammates pick in a pub game?

                                              Rubick

                                              DSP

                                                Rubbick = too often played pos 5 but doesn't do anything
                                                Lone druid = rarely see him but when he is picked, it's a handicap
                                                Death Prophet = outplayed by a lot of other heroes in low MMR pubs

                                                varjager

                                                  @Yami Yugi

                                                  Rubick is such a high skilled hero and most players actually lack the skill to play him to his potentional. I think most players that pick rubick could have played any ranged hero with a stun and done the same job in the game.

                                                  When i say most players i dont talk about divine/immortal i talk about the average players.

                                                  Yami Yugi

                                                    @varjager can't agree more, hence those were my answer in my bracket games. The heroes successfully halt my winstreak with 2 lose in a row at some point. I would definitely answer another if I were an Immortal.

                                                    Yami Yugi

                                                      Lone druid = rarely see him but when he is picked, it's a handicap

                                                      Yeah rarely seen him but that is the case of the entire dota history of mine summarized

                                                      Not just in this patch but has been a little lackluster in terms of game impact since forever

                                                      Sheep

                                                        neture prophet is good for pro/coordinated teams but every game I have a NP in pubs he just steals farm from pos 1 and 2 and gives extra farm to enemy carry with treants.

                                                        Talker

                                                          I myself see several candidates
                                                          Tiny - this hero is trash for so long, except one short window he got some buffs and than got nerfs.
                                                          DK - somehow dead hero for a while
                                                          Slardar - there is always better pick than Slardar

                                                          Troll - this hero feels just wrong every time
                                                          Venomancer - Except the green cancer time he was always bad
                                                          Puck - I just dont like the style of the hero, always felt like bad pick, unless there was some smurf on him.
                                                          Void - for a while there is no role for him - for offlaner he is quite weak and needs designated support, for carry he is not strong enough into late game.
                                                          Treant - again, there is (almost) always better pick. And always was.

                                                          First three were always my favourites, but they were for most of the time unplayable, so I have only few games on them.

                                                          But I think the worst is tiny - he is so useless for so much time.

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                                                          Arc

                                                            The timeless classic
                                                            Phantom Assassin
                                                            Riki
                                                            Techies
                                                            But right now is tinker and Ember
                                                            Both has great global presence with spammable abilities and quick farming tools. If Enemy team has them, ill be fked and if my team who uses these they go full retard mode. Difference is Tinker is not meta worthy for now while Ember is meditating on top picks and his new immortal

                                                            Soggy Bottom Boy

                                                              I can't tell which one is the worst, but I can tell which one I am most disappointed with: Mirana. Ever since her Starstorm got nerfed I find no place for her. She used to be my most played, highest win rate and longest win streak hero. Now she feels useless. For all positions from 5 to 2 there are just dozens of better heroes who do more with the same amount, if not less farm.

                                                              ShiftingSkys

                                                                Invoker after the nerf to Alactrity. Honestly itslike 1 out of 50 invokers in my last games that do anything. They all lose mid spend 20 Min Afk Farming and Missing sunstrikes only to finally get aghs get ganked times giving a huge exp lead away then to lose at 3o min because Both Enemy Mid and Position 1 Bought BKB's

                                                                nowhere to be seen

                                                                  Treant Protector.

                                                                  Haven't seen him quite a while, least pick on most games, maybe he's on vacation.

                                                                  Spírít

                                                                    Tinker is garbage and you should uninstall if you ever use him.

                                                                    chicken spook,,,,

                                                                      mirana's prob the most consistently useless pick in my team

                                                                      Bupche

                                                                        Techies

                                                                        xD

                                                                          witch doctor and treant..

                                                                          kuci

                                                                            Weird, since 6 month ago i continously met some exceptional player on one hero, like this match

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4892089775

                                                                            The pudge is fucking good at hooking and calling

                                                                            Or this one
                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4891708612

                                                                            Superb timber plays and tempo control

                                                                            kuci

                                                                              Tl;dr it's not the hero, it's the person behind it.

                                                                              OfGreyHairWaifu3

                                                                                Ye, but some heroes deman much more to make the same impact as others.
                                                                                I really don't like snowballing heroes, while I always what to pick them. Things like Veno (who is in complete shit rn, so many STR cores and offlanes, they just build a pipe and outregen all you do), Puck (after the ult nerf the hero just feels so weak. I mean his waveclear is great, but he just feels so underwhelming, and the fact that they almost gave his E to MK is baffling), Treant, Nyx (he's my fav, but for the love of god his W is just so bad in this STR core meta. So little INT heroes to do actual damage to, you just burn like 100-120 mana from some Centaur and he doesn't even care, cause he got direct mana from items, not int. And the aghs... just why? Nyx is a highly mobile hight stake hero that is about setting up good lines for impale and constantly manaburning people and they give him... a stationary aghs. It's OK, but I hoped so much for better things. Like a aghs that would make your W deal dmg based on enemie's main atribute or smth), Pugna (the STR core meta just fucks a lot of heroes).

                                                                                varjager

                                                                                  I like to add techies cause techies games are boring.