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General DiscussionIs juggernaut even a viable carry now?

Is juggernaut even a viable carry now? in General Discussion
Chewie

    Every time I play him, he feels underwhelming with his damage out in the mid game.

    Grimm

      yes
      is too short (minimum is 6 characters)

      Chewie

        @Grimm I see that you make the full Mjolnir before manta most of the time. How and when do you decide to complete the Mjolnir before Manta?

        '96 Neve Campbell

          Is oNe of The besT cARRIEs iN The GamE ViAbLe?!?!?!!

          The hero is fucking stupid broken if you know how to play it. Easily the strongest late game carry in lane (apart from maybe Naga), has access to reliable healing earlier than any other hard carry. Does the most early game damage of any hard carry. Is powerful in the mid game. Is powerful in the late game. If you think the hero is underwhelming then you simply arent playing him properly.

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          Ella Corazon

            strong laning phase
            ez push lane and escape (magic immnue spin bullshit)
            one of the strongest late game carry

            Chewie

              I know his early and late game is really strong now but his mid game is just stale he doesn't do much damage in fights. The old jugg had his spike in the mid game, so now I don't know where I should be focusing on farming or pushing towers and taking objectives with team etc.

              AnTaiN

                " Easily the strongest late game carry in lane (apart from maybe Naga) "
                Omegalul noob

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                A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘 (My Chat is

                  Strongest late game carry in lane?????

                  LucaManny

                    Yeah, i dont feel like i losing game because enemy jug neither i win game because my team jug.

                    All he provided is strong high ground siege with healing ward and strong laning then thats it.

                    Grimm

                      i made mjollnir before manta because i was vs meepo one game and vs timber the other one, you won't dela damage with just manta and you need mjollnir before

                      KazeGagne

                        I buy a mask of madness to ensure my ult gets kills. Then I disassemble and build into a butterfly and/or satanic.

                        '96 Neve Campbell

                          " Easily the strongest late game carry in lane (apart from maybe Naga) "

                          Strongest late game carry in lane?????

                          Name another pos 1 carry that has an easy escape, higher kill potential, and easier access to healing than juggernaut before level 6 please you tards. Pair Jugg with any support with a long duration root/slow and the lane is won.

                          He does more damage earlier than any other late carry. He is harder to kill in lane than basically any other late carry. He is the only late carry with reliable sustain in lane. If you don't think hes easily one of the strongest laners in the game then you are just being ignorant sorry.

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                          kowareta

                            pick jugger, i will get all ur towers before u make any dmg item
                            (u must be sub 4k low tard btw)

                            Peelioka

                              Is Jugg actually a super strong late game carry though? I'd rather have heroes like Spectre, TB, Morphling, Medusa, PL, PA, Naga or Sven than a Jugg once it gets late game. Omnislash often doesn't get kills and leaves jugg out of position and spin, whilst giving magic immunity stops him right clicking heroes; Its just a really bad version of Rage at that point.

                              AnTaiN

                                "Name another pos 1 carry that has an easy escape, higher kill potential, and easier access to healing than juggernaut before level 6 please you tards."

                                Ever heard of trollwarlord ? Nah ? Ok . Place jug against a cent , or tiny , and jug is basically a walking creep . Place a troll there , and u got a win in 20 mins . Noob

                                AnTaiN

                                  @Vilanelle ,U even 4k bruh ? I agree that jug is reliable , but just simply making it the best is overrating it .

                                  If u have a brain , u either need farm , either sustain or either kill potential lane . Having a bit of all is good but not ideal. But thats why jug is just reliable not the best . U want sustain ? Choose from many of the str cores Dk , ls ? U want kill threat ? Troll is ur man ? Or just hard carry for braindead underlord offlane .

                                  And i was doing kappa to u not too much about the jug thing . Ppl tend to overrate some things always .Rather its more about the NAGA thing . Naga ? Seriously Naga? That shit has a pretty below average lane than most carries . For hard carries tb morph got better laning man . Even arc is equal to naga for laning

                                  EDIT : Shit now i check ur id and it seems u are party ancient and i tot u were 4k all along . I apologize ur brain can't comprehend all this shit at ur current level. Nevermind

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                                  pain

                                    yes
                                    is too short (minimum is 6 characters)

                                    `Scorpio'M

                                      AntaiN roasting my low bracket brother D:

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                                      LeMiza

                                        @AnŦaiN "eVeR HeArD oF TrOlLwArLoRd?" but you have a sub 50% winrate with him while your jugg winrate is higher than 50 :)

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                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                          Jugg is a far superior carry to troll warlord lmfao. And buddy I have 4k party, 3k solo. Just because my profile says I was 1k in 2017 doesnt mean that reflects what my mmr is now, and is also why they need to disable that feature of this site cause it is hilariously misleading.

                                          ywn

                                            kowareta

                                              not misleading tbh. non bluestar -> trash

                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                So you admit that u are trash

                                                AnTaiN

                                                  "@AnŦaiN "eVeR HeArD oF TrOlLwArLoRd?" but you have a sub 50% winrate with him while your jugg winrate is higher than 50 :)"

                                                  I mean my invoker winrate is sub 50% too , that doesnt make him shit does it ? My trollwarlord sucks , but no doubt its better than jug in laning . Im somewhat of a mid 30 min gamer type and jug just suits my playstyle and I couldnt adapt to troll .

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                                                  AnTaiN

                                                    "Name another pos 1 carry that has an easy escape, higher kill potential, and easier access to healing than juggernaut before level 6 please you tards. Pair Jugg with any support with a long duration root/slow and the lane is won.

                                                    He does more damage earlier than any other late carry. He is harder to kill in lane than basically any other late carry. He is the only late carry with reliable sustain in lane. If you don't think hes easily one of the strongest laners in the game then you are just being ignorant sorry."

                                                    "Jugg is a far superior carry to troll warlord lmfao. And buddy I have 4k party, 3k solo. Just because my profile says I was 1k in 2017 doesnt mean that reflects what my mmr is now, and is also why they need to disable that feature of this site cause it is hilariously misleading."

                                                    First u talk about laning , then u talk about carry . Make up ur fucking damn mind already .

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                                                    Eddie Smurfy

                                                      are we all just gonna ignore the fact that i have a huge booty?

                                                      ywn

                                                        until u post a pic yes

                                                        kowareta

                                                          So you admit that u are trash

                                                          probably, what u think? didnt i?

                                                          MuLLi

                                                            Stop saying each other as trash! U all have high solo mmr!

                                                            Trash floats around me and my 384 solo so here is only one trash!!!

                                                            kuci

                                                              Whoa chill out guys

                                                              Antoniii

                                                                im bad core player but when i play jugg i feel like he is ok hero

                                                                CNP

                                                                  You are all really excellent players and your opinions are all really worthwhile.

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                                                                  Chewie

                                                                    Tf happened here?

                                                                    Peelioka

                                                                      ^ I have the opposite procureur; I'm also a bad carry, when I play heroes like PL, Sven or LS I feel like I can actually carry the game though, whereas with Jugg I always feel like a hindrance; I have no idea how to itemize on him and always feel like i'm behind

                                                                      Chewie

                                                                        I used to understand him before the changes to his ult. Now I feel like his mid game is not as powerful as before.

                                                                        ⃤

                                                                          I bet his ego is bigger than aimstrong’s ass

                                                                          AnTaiN

                                                                            Jug's late game is improved due to changes in his ulti tho imo

                                                                            A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘 (My Chat is

                                                                              Jugg is not a good late game carry if he is picked first and non brain dmged enemies get to respond to him. Jugg's dmg is not so reliable late, his seige is only good if the enemy doesn't have anything to cancel spin to or spin run(talking about tusk,tiny,enig,void, abysall carrier , slrdar, wyvern, bane, vs ,room etc). Also his seige is good particularly early mid game with a set lineup like Chen, sf, a backing stunner like es and some tanky offlaner. Jugg's seige is really good only if enemy doesn't punish it which happens a lot in less than 4k. Jugg's ulti is a suboptimal one which can be countered by a ton of items, str heroes, invi heroes, spells like stampede n what else...

                                                                              PS: jugg is a great lane carry, but not a great late game one. Also anything less than 3k mmr a decent jugg owns ez.

                                                                              Eddie Smurfy

                                                                                bet

                                                                                Dotapros

                                                                                  Just pick morphling against jugg and you'll be fine i think morph is the far more superior than all y'all carries that suggested imo fight me

                                                                                  exit code 0 (gl;hf)

                                                                                    omfggg villanelle so pro i wish i could be pro

                                                                                    and btw bsj hes the best hero carry in game so yeah

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                                                                                    lexdog

                                                                                      jugg is and always was viable carry hero in my opinion

                                                                                      AnTaiN

                                                                                        ^true af . That shit is never bad .

                                                                                        .duDudu

                                                                                          both jugg and troll are garbage and i never liked them. stop fighting now babies

                                                                                          Rambo Zambo

                                                                                            You pick jugg if Lane is unwinable with other heros, if your too stupid for other carrys, or if an aggressive hero fits your Team Well. Jugg isnt rly a super late game hero.
                                                                                            If you want super lategame right now try naga tb morph, sometimes dusa can be strong.