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SnY on razor? in General Discussion
Crazy OverDrive

    So i play razor(trying to learn) and make SnY..then some ancient guy diss me because i make SnY..
    Is it wrong/bad on him?

    Codex

      It's a situational item on Razor. It can work but not every game. The main things to consider are that it competes with Heaven's Halberd and Manta Style which are both situationally good on Razor too. It's also a tempo item that you generally want to get if you're snowballing but has limited lategame potential compared to other items.

      Basically it's expensive compared to other tempo items like Drum, Eul's, and isn't the best slot lategame compared to items like Shiva's, AC, Aghs, Eblade, BKB. Agh's refresher BKB for example is a great way for Razor to scale into the lategame.

      It's never a bad item on Razor, but it's situational because it's rarely the best.

      Crazy OverDrive

        Ok..i got the point..so what would be a good build for him?

        Codex

          It completely depends on the game. That was the point of my post.

          For example, eul's is really good against WR and clinkz because it dispels windrun and strafe, and gives Razor speed.
          BKB/ Manta/ Heart depending on what kind of defensive item you need.
          Drum if you need cheap stats and want to be able to fight early.
          Shiva's/ Lotus/ AC if you need armor. Lotus is better against stuff like Doom/Tinker.
          Force staff against Riki.
          Eblade against crazy phys damage like a fat Legion Commander

          The point is, Razor is a hero that wants to be tanky, in the middle of fights, and fast. If you're not tanky enough, you need to buy tank items. If you're getting disabled lots, you probably need BKB or Manta. If your team doesn't have enough push, you should consider Agh's. If you need to be faster and tankier, SNY is good.

          Just ask yourself, what do I need next to do my tanky frontline but fast role? Then pick an item.

          That's the reality of dota, you can usually make one cookie cutter build work, but the best players will build slightly different every game.

          zarse

            Sounds like most of the games you'll want to disarm it for halberd and manta.

            poggies

              Trash item do not buy

              varjager

                Trash item do not buy

                In general or just for razor because i've pretty much ruled out s&y for lifestealer for some time now and only build manta for dispel otherwise i build something else and skip s&y.

                Rigbone

                  SnY is good if u stack the status resistance with satanic or have omni in team.

                  Mr. Jin

                    Not very good item becuz u can even go drums which is a cheap form of that item with an active for ur allies.

                    sometimes i dont know what to build ill juz 1st item bkb for teamfite. u nd to consider silver edge also for heroes like bb, timber, pa.

                    I kinda like shiva becuz it synergizes with ur aoe skills but also that item is kinda situational.

                    I saw Henry on youtube stream he plays rod of atos drums on razor. U can check gunnar razor on youtube also. Im currently learning from his razor.

                    also, buy euls against jug instead of ghost sceptor. when he ulti u euls urself. try to suck his dmg before he ulti u, if not juz save the euls for when he ulti.

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                    Yami Yugi

                      Once Razor is tanky and fast, Lotus is great I think, people generally want to cut his kite by throwing spells

                      Väinämöinen

                        Razor is a great utility core that can buy almost any item the game requires. Blademail/Lotus/Pipe/Halberd/Euls/Drums/vlads/skadi, literally almost any item.

                        SnY is an item that does literally nothing, it gives you a bit of everything but no utility. If you need movement speed get a drum, if you need status resistance get a bkb. I dont like the item at all, in most cases there are items that give you the same stats but also give you utility or an aura.

                        kk

                          More so the movement speed and status resistance. If you can get it somewhat early it's good but if it's later don't worry about it and get a lotus orb

                          Yami Yugi

                            ^yeah I think it will be a lot more appealing when it's upgrade able, especially if it fused with Skadi

                            Crazy OverDrive

                              Okay..got it..more training to do haha