General Discussioni7 9700f vs i7 9700k

The 1st one is just 9700 without integrated graphics, is not overclockable and comes with low base frequency of 3.0 GHz.
The second one is 9700 beefed up overclockable K version with base frequency of 3.6 GHz which can be set to 4.6 GHz at least with minor tweaking and even more with good cooling. So its the clear winner here for the performance even in stock variation but with the OC it blows the 1st one out of blue.

250GB is more than enough for your requirements, I have 120GB and do fine with it, but usually you buy for future proof so go bigger and better ;)

What about i7 7700k ?

250GB is not enough so u might want to get another 120 or 250. If u use your pc only for Dota all I7/I5 is enough so go for another SSD

I have 1,25TB and it is getting full so 250 is not enough. I use mainly for Dota this computer

Getting full of what ?
I literally only have Dota 2.

9700K is better, it has 8 real cores vs 4 cores/8 threads on 7700K.

I would go 9700K and aim to max it to 5GHz with proper cooling.

Or if you are on a budget you can go AMD Ryzen idk whats your situation..

About the guy saying dota eats a lot of storage, its like 25GBs what are you smoking?

Yes im on budget but i can't build a pc myself,im not interested at all even if it saves me money.

This will be my PC :

I7 9700
MB Gigabyte B360M
RAM DDR4 8GB 2400MHZ
SSD 240 GB Kingston
GT 730

I will upgrade the gpu and psu later on.

Really 240gb is not good with Windows+Dota

What ever u do get even 120 more

9700k have UHD 630 which is better than GT 730 so are u trolling?

If u are not trolling save money and don't buy GT 730 and buy some 120-250GT SSD

it's 9700f
I have the GT 730 already

240gb is plenty

this is not 2011, most of heavyweight stuff is either on webservers or can be installed/uninstalled on whim because of high bandwidth speed

if u have an urge to turn your computer into a small data server, get a hdd, buying an ssd and then downloading 999 apps/videos/whatever on it is dumb and a giant waste of money

ok

and it seems f model have no UHD

I have downloaded a lot of Dota replies etc. So 240 is not enough for me. Ofc if u just play and nothing else 240 goes

U still need to know how SSD wear through. If u have just little spare space your SSD life spam is shorter so getting some more than bare minimum might be better

well just delete them then? i dont remember how much an average replay takes but i guess it's like 30-40 megs? you would need so many fucking replays for them to take a big enough amt of space i can't even imagine and there's no way you would need all of them (or even watch them)

@huntergatherer yeah ofc managing actively SSD/hard drive you could make em last longer

by the time you wear it down (if you even wear it down) large ssd will hopefully not be prohibitively expensive and u can just get a 2x bigger one some 4-5 years down the road

^same rule goes with processors. So if u want best user experience u won't get SSD with bare minimum while u have other parts near high end.

Anyway boys u do as u like and learn while u do

actively managing storage space = removing shit u 100% will not need every once in a while? yeah sounds like a lot of trouble better buy a fucking HUGE ssd for gajilion dollars that has 4x amt of storage you will ever realistically need

if ure a collector of old junk just get urself an hdd paps

enough said. Now it is up yours =D gl hf

@19 256gb of SSD would be enough and I suggest that you get the "K" model. But do not get a "B" motherboard, as you will not be able to get the most out of that processor. Get a Z370 or Z390 motherboard and make sure to put money in your budged for a CPU cooler, as the stock Intel one is kind of trash. If you want a budget one, go for CoolerMaster 212 Hyper EVO Black, and if you want the best of the best go for Noctua NH-D15 (it has normal and chromax black version), but make sure that it will fit your case and is compatible with your motherboard, which you can do at Noctua website.
If you decide that the 9700K is not worth the money for your case, which it isn't if it is only for Dota, just go for a i5 9600k, as it is boasting pretty much the same stock performance, is cheaper, and you can overclock it to become a much better CPU with Noctua CPU cooler. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

This will be my PC :

I7 9700
MB Gigabyte B360M
RAM DDR4 8GB 2400MHZ
SSD 240 GB Kingston
GT 730

I will upgrade the gpu and psu later on.

Yes im on budget but i can't build a pc myself,im not interested at all even if it saves me money.

i5-9600
B360
8GB RAM
RX550 (AMD GPU) or GTX1050(NVidia GPU)
250GB Ssd
If all you’re using it for is Dota, this is more than enough

Wtf? get an 8th gen so you can save a little bit of money for a gpu

^Personally, I'd recommend a 2nd gen Ryzen 5 build rather than a 8th/9th gen Intel Core 5 build.

BRUH, i just checked the price of this PC, you're seriously shooting yourself in the foot with the i7-9700(be it "f" which has no integrated graphics, or "k" which is unlocked for overclocking). That crap alone is ~325USD.
Just get a Ryzen 5 2nd gen for ~115USD, so much cheaper yet delivers the value needed. Like you said, you're just loading the PC with Dota.

I need pc setup for 144 hz +,for streaming too

i5 6500
GTX 1060

Will this deliver ?

Why do you need 144Hz for Dota, a MOBA? It only makes a noticeable difference if playing esports FPS titles
i5-6500 isn't good enough if you're planning to stream on the same computer
GTX1060 is fine
Once again, I reiterate, consider AMD's Ryzen CPUs. Intel is better at delivering raw gaming performance, but AMD is a towering option for multitasking programs, like stream+gaming simultaneously. I've built PCs for my friends, I've helped them pick out parts to match their budget ranges and needs, this isn't new to me, and I do this in a country with stupid levels of price mark-ups(Philippines)

if you're set on using Intel, get the i7-9700 and pair it with a GTX1050Ti or GTX1650. From there, 8GB RAM(2400MHz minimum), B360 motherboard, and the Kingston SSD. That should suffice.
Don't skimp out on a power supply. Get a decent 80+ rated one, even 80+ White

Sorry can't answer this shit because mines only i7 8700k.

But I think k is more powerful because f is the first word in alphabet therefore k is the latest update omegalul.
Checkmate liberal.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-9900KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900K/m764533vs4028

What about i7 7700k ?

K just means it can be overclocked. F means it does not have integrated graphics.
I7-7700K would be fine. I streamed on a 2nd gen i7 before(i7-2700K), so you should be able to handily do so as well. Just make sure you buy a compatible motherboard. Your call if you really need the K. If you’re not planning to overclock, you could get by with just the i7-7700

U should tell how much u are willing to use money for this computer u will get so people with insight about hardware could help u better

MB: Asrock B250 Pro4
CPU: Core i5 6500 3.6GHz 6MB L3
RAM: 16GB (4x4GB) TeamGroup DDR4-2133 CL15
VGA: GeForce GTX 1060 Xtreme Gaming 6GB
SSD: Crucial BX500 250GB
HDD: Western Digital Greeen 2TB
PSU: Cooler Master MasterWatt 700W 80+
Case: DeepCool Teserract BW /w 2x120mm fans

24" XL2411P BenQ Zowie LED Gaming 1ms Wide FullHD, Height Adjustable. 3D Ready 144 Hz

What about this build ?

i can't decide what to get,i'll think about it again in a week,im overthinking it now

^Yep don't get too deep in jungle when U just need to tell how much money u are willing to spend. After that here is a lot of people who can help u

doesn't matter if i say the how much,prices are like 1/3 more expensive in my country

If you are going to stream Ryzen should be your only choice

-No problems with the MoBo choice
-i5-6500 may cause stuttering in your stream if you're forcing 1080p60, make sure to set up your streaming software appropriately(step down to 720p if needed)
-A bit skeptical about the RAM speed, however that's the max which is supported by the CPU. You can get by with 8GB, but your call if you want/need that 16GB. I personally prefer 2x8GB rather than 4x4GB but that's personal preference
-The GTX1060 model you're going for is a good choice (but watch your wallet).
-no issues with your choice of storage
-PSU is overkill in terms of wattage, you could get by with 550W 80+White considering the parts you're getting aren't power-hungry
-your case, your call
-XL2411P is the monitor I've been eyeing for a while now, for my CSGO playing. Pretty safe pick

If you're sure about the ability to finance this, I can see this working.

Why do you need 144Hz for Dota, a MOBA? It only makes a noticeable difference if playing esports FPS titles

i5 6500
GTX 1060

Will this deliver ?

What about i7 7700k ?

You literally need 2k $ PC for the stuff you want OP lol, better start saving money xD

If i get ryzen 5 2600,what gpu should i get ?

Whatever your budget allows.

im not in hurry
i want a pc that i can stream on while playing on a 144 hz monitor

For streaming you need minimum 6 cores right now. If I was building personally for myself with a limited budget, I'd buy Ryzen 5 3600 or Ryzen 7 2700X

For that kinda price you get 8 cores 16 threads with R7 2700, it will be better for streaming, but will have lower fps in games. With R5 3600 you will have higher fps in games, but you lose 2 cores and 4 threads, which could be useful for streaming. It comes to what you value more. Stream quality or higher fps in your games. Personally I'd go for Ryzen 5 3600 as I preffer higher frame rates. Pretty sure you could stream dota with 1080p 60fps and a decent preset with that CPU as well and most AAA games with 720p 60fps. It's as fast as intel CPU's in most games and in some even faster and nothing from intel beats it in this price range. Would pair it with a 3600Mhz ram with decent timings, make sure the infinity fabric is set to 1:1 ratio for the best performance and would probably buy GTX 1660 altho if you don't have Gsync you can find Radeon RX 580's kinda cheap. Just watch some benchmarks and see what satisfies you and save up for it or if you have enough, then just buy it.

I mean you could also go for i5 9600K, it's like 15-20 euros more, but I don't think it's a wise choice if you plan on streaming it will hurt your frame rates as it only has 6 cores / 6 threads, while ryzen has 6 cores / 12 threads and it performs about the same in most games, in some intel wins and in some intel loses. Also don't forget AMD comes with an ok'ish cooler while you need to spend minimum 30 euros more if you go for intel and at that point it's just a poor value.

This is a bit of a step up in price compared to a R5 2600, but if you absolutely want your fps to stay above 144fps or as high as it can go then R5 3600 is your choice. If you can't afford it and not in a rush, save for a few months and buy it. If you can't wait then again R5 2600 is your best choice.

Also in any case don't buy RAM for ryzen slower than 3200Mhz. It takes a huge hit in performance with slower dimms. I checked all the way from 2400 up to 3600 mhz and in most cases slower dimms have garbage timings and cost even more or the same as 3000mhz kits with even lower timings lol.

I was able to stream quite well with i7-2700K at stock clock. It’s doable aFeect. Not optimal, but doable. Remember he’s saying he’s on a budget. I kept telling him that 2nd gen Ryzen was a beast option right now but he kept asking about Intel CPUs so I just worked around it.
Regards to the 144Hz issue, I know that there’s a difference, I’m saying it doesn’t matter because there’s no difference IN GAME. Especially since Dota runs 30 tick. Remember he’s saying he’s on a budget. That being said, the XL2412P is a good budget 144Hz monitor

I currently have a GTX1080 with Ryzen 2700X @ 3.7GHz and 2x16GB 2666MHz RAM and my stream runs well so yeah xD