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Currently I'm on an aa spam because alch is meta and it deters enemy from picking it.
Outside of that Phoenix and kotl are undoubtedly god tier atm.
I pick zeus 4 if enemy has a squishy core or if my offlaner is legion because they pair well.
it's not about whats good in this current meta, kotl i have very bad experience with kotlers maxing the wave clearance even as pos 5 and stealing your farm, not saying its the potentially one of the best ones. omni is out of meta yes, but overall throughout my dotahistory he has been one of the most likeable
zeus pos 4 ii like when enemy team picked techis or mirana first pick
edit: the kotl is placed wrong sorry, he should have been on nice supports not im not gonna enjoy the game, my bad really.
not sayin jakiro, dw and aa doesnt have i love you potential but these people tend to go for core builds. jakiro just nuking creep waves in front of carry or even in jungle, aa sometimes only sit fountain and playing the blast, dw rsuh aghs gg
dw rsuh aghs gg
By the time she gets her aghs she has already euls blink and solo killed ennemy pos1/pos2 5+ times with her combo and saved her allies 5+ times with terrorize.
But yes, you should be right, it's not a good draft.
Jakiro is more suited for pos 3 or 4 due to his ability to flash farm. Usually you judge the distance between your carry and the opponent creep wave before nuking them. If the carry is too far away from those creeps, then do not hesitate to nuke. Enchanted quiver is really very op on Jakiro, especially when you get the attack range talent. Blink dagger is also great for positioning.
Weird about your kotl experience. I max wave clear last and only get a value point in it at 4.
Sniper's agh is currently broken. He is great as pos3 or 4. You really need to know how to stack camps efficiently with your long attack range and use shrapnel wisely.
thing is ur not getting the enchanted quiver before skilling the attack range talent. i think jakiro better pos 4 rather than 5 too but not saying he not has pos 5 potential. the wave push and the fact that hes very slow makes it really hard to play him as pos 5 imo
thinking about putting huskar higher up perhaps? like he should have support abilities like the viper with the aoe disarm and insane harass ability?
MMR is lower for you guys I assume, all the items you are suggesting are not for a pos5. In a game I will get glimmer cape and tranquil and that's probably it when game is over. Even though you can push lanes you would never do it early game as you would let them push in for safe core farm, support should always with his team and ready to take objectives and work to timers and get vision.
told you about my experiences of the np, cant really say i enjoyed any game with np on my team at all but even less as support position. the guy steal wards and chase couriers on lanes not contested and not in big need of regeneration. they push out waves right in front of cores to take the farm, the jungle, if not midas rush they make orchid, shadow blade and desolator
imo low mmr i dont play in the battlefield with 7k+ players
As pos 5 i almost always go for mana boots, dissemble mid game for tranquil if necessary, except cm always tranq on cm,
Then either force, glimmer, vessel or ghost scepter, sometimes a bracer if needed.
And of course those games with shadow amlet/midas only lmao.
I rly dont like supports floating 2,2k for a blink dagger right after boots. Being support involves dying and ur effectively paying around 3k for a blink dagger if u choose to do this
@K . Invoker really sucks in the early to mid game, especially when you go with the tornado wex build. The cast range of the tornado is too short to have any real impact. Even if you want a support invoker, there should still be some early points in exort, before pushing the cast range of tornado in order to have any meaningful impact. The problem with support invokers is that they are very ineffective at ganking in the early game especially in my bracket.
Generally, supports with high dps in the early game is easier to utilize for harrassing. This is because once the opponent support out carry you, u lose the lane rather quickly.
prophet is not a traditional pos 5 but is great because of his global presence
watch team Secret winning games with prophet pos 5
support invoker mostly people with big ego generally refusing to support someone else, can be good too not gonna lie. if u pick invoker support and the other team seem to see this as a support and ur willing to swap it with the mid laner whos good with the hero aswell and swap for something else ur totally off the report but mainly mid players play support invoker when they are out of core games only and they play supports like lion/pudge/invoker only without general intention of supporting rather "carrying my retard team"
hey guys lets make a tier list
*receives criticism*
"um akshually its based on my personal experience"
*someone else says their opinion*
"here's meta reason why you're wrong"
xd
there is a guy picking wk pos 3, jugger pos 3, going mid while he queue pos 4 and comes here calls the invoker/np players just wanna ruin the game/play carry and its not fun playing with them.
i mean how many snakes are living out there??? fucking disgusting really. DISGUSTING
pos5 invoker is still better than pos5 pudge
1.start lane
2.miss hook
3.sit in trees while soaking exp
4.watch carry start crying and afk jungle kekw
i generally pick wk off when i have pudge as pos 4, if lane is trash ill just go jungle. tried out jugg as pos 3, worked out completely fine, killed weaver safe 2 times and shadow demon once solo but ofc the es pos 4 is gonna have opinion about my pick not showing up until after 10 minutes.
really dont see why jugg cant have pos 3 capabilities, u can just shove lanes go for high armor build and pipe, healing ward is really good. i just wanted to try out jugg as pos 3 one time though i think it has potential. u can see in that game naix not going for singel armor item, kunkka no hp what so ever.
i went mid as pos 4 in one game only because axe went afk jungle cuz i chose sniper pos 4.
its not about critism, its uust my view of the hero. u dont have to agree with me im fine with any discussion. if u rather have a thread about which heroes are good and not, then please find a top 200 player who will make a thread about it.
i like how i edited my thread start before receiving anything of what you consider to be criticism too lol
pudge isnt on my rep list cuz i think he has pos 4 potential, i dont appreciate these people either. invoker players in my opinion are worse because regardless what you do they will not leave the lane because they desperately need the experience, if u have a pudge 4 and u leave the lane he will rotate to other lanes because he wants strength stacks and hook people. sure the invoker would want urn charges but that is once he finally get that gold for the urn. he will however not be capable to farm the offlane if there is a support there, he most likely go quas wex and suffers from alot of dmg lack.
invoker is a good support hero
I agree, I mostly played support invoker this season too and it worked really really well Cx
not sayin invoker is a bad support hero, i think its really good but im only 3,5k mmr direct impact heroes better in low mmr
like do you think pudge is a bad support if he hits hooks and use dismember on bkbed targets?
ES and Ogre should be tier 1. Those meatshield scale very well late game.
And Omniknight is not tier 1 support. Cant baby sit his lane. Cant even trade right click with a range support. Cast range are short. Guardian Angel smol aoe and Shield easily countered (Invoker Tornado, Stampede, Naga Sleep, etc). His first 10 minutes of the game is useless. Very strong though if he it goes to long game
Yea dude u seem to be almost same mmr as me, shaker players dont initate with echo, they slam once all are low health tryin to ramp. Ogre midas.
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Hey! Since picking phase is so toxic, mostly due to supports picking earliest id like to discuss what picks u like and which u don't.
Here is whats going on through my head if my supports pick like this:
https://imgur.com/a/NB9hoew
discussion and adding your own tier lists is very welcomed!
Just wanna add i base this on my experience playing with those heroes on my team, not saying tyere are no good pudge/mirana supports out there but im dead serious about the role violation though