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Nads

    1. What is the best boot for PA and Ursa? If I go for thread, I need more MS. But, if I go for phase boot, I feel like, I need more AS.

    2. Midas getting nerf. Should I buy Midas for CK and DK? They are really slow at farming. I know I just 2k's but I need some advice about this :(

    3. Playing as a support. What should I do in my first 10 minutes when I'm using melee heroes? Harras them or help mid?

    4. How to be rich as a support? When I'm playing as a support, my team always force me to buy ward although ward on the shop still cooldown. Every single time when wards on shop pop-up, I always buy it. I almost never get my item when I'm playing as a support. It just brown boots, magic wand and TP.

    Sorry for bad english. I really appreciate the answer :D

    Thanks in advance.

    Väinämöinen

      2. Midas getting nerf. Should I buy Midas for CK and DK? They are really slow at farming. I know I just 2k's but I need some advice about this :(

      These 2 heros are not designed to go late and farm, they are supposed to win their lane and then end the game early.

      if you think about buying midas on those heros you really lack some understanding of dota

      TheRRogue

        That's the point of playing supp,you sacrifice your farm for your carry.

        Melt

          midas on ck is fine. hes a beast when 6slottet, but ye he can easialy end a game with just armlet drums and one good teamfight where your illusions dont die
          dk farms pretty quickly, use your Q. soulring is key imo. stack ancients and clear once you reach level 12

          pa and ursa go phaseboots because they get as from their skills. they can make more use of damage than of as when their natural bonus is active, which should almost always be the case during fights. ursa needs phase to chase and engage on top of that.

          what to do as support depends on the lanes ofcourse. melee supports dont harass as well as ranged, try to gank or interrupt. common melee supports are pos4 anyway, you are not going to kill the enemy offlaner on your own

          there is one 75 gold ward every minute. you say you cant afford any other items? so you are telling me that you are below 75gpm?

          watch the map. once a core leaves his lane, you go there and farm it. ask your carry to go jungle and give the lane to you for a few minutes, but keep tps of cooldown to help other lanes. alot of midlaners should do jungle rotations around 10min, too.
          be in every fight and dont die unless you can save a core by feeding your life

          Väinämöinen

            https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/chaos-knight/guides?page=4

            Midas on CK is dogshit.
            if you just go armlet and echo/drums/bkb/halberd you have a powerspike at a time where no one can fight you and you can snowball from there to end the game.

            if you buy midas you sacrifice the time where CK is the strongest

            Tribo

              CK with battle fury and treads :laugh:

              Potato PC

                Your monster KDA in recent game prove you don't need guide/help (at least for now)

                3. Playing as a support. What should I do in my first 10 minutes when I'm using melee heroes? Harras them or help mid?

                Situational. Not all melee support is suitable for gank.

                4. How to be rich as a support? When I'm playing as a support, my team always force me to buy ward although ward on the shop still cooldown. Every single time when wards on shop pop-up, I always buy it. I almost never get my item when I'm playing as a support. It just brown boots, magic wand and TP.

                Support can't be rich, unless you :
                * Often gank/war without dying
                * Pick extra GPM talent
                * Buy midas (not recommended)
                * KS, but only do when enemy live if you don't KS

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                fish

                  Sorry for being mean, but maybe you should ask that person who plays your account recently. Since that score is indicating smurfer playing on ur account.

                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                    i like treads better on PA. this hero doesnt buy any attack speed items outside of maybe AC so if you dont get treads you attack slowly all game. ursa is pretty reliant on phase i would say.
                    buying midas is generally a process that concerns the entire team. generally just dont buy it.
                    do whatever you need to do to make sure your lane partner gets farm. dying is okay, just dont die for no reason.
                    you dont be rich as a support generally. always buy wards and sentries if needed. that one item you may or may not get wont change the game enough to not get wards.

                    TheMaster

                      PA & Ursa both gain AS from Phantom Strike,Over power respectively..... People also prefer Mask of madness..... Depends on game to game TBH..... if not many stuns and disables then prefer Phase + MOM ..... if not then treads for more hp /AS with toggling

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                      Gssaikone

                        @ people saying buy treads on pa. cant fathom lol. this hero should be played in a way that you are very agile. you hit and run, rinse and repeat. you dont go up and hit them for more than a few hits. you need to position and reposition. but then again, im a scrub so...

                        Oldman

                          1. Phase on Ursa is a core imo. You can get ez early kills with just boots. On Pa its a matter of preference I suppose. Personally most of the time I go for phase boots because with early items like wand and aquila you are already ready to snowball as soon as you hit 6 lvl. I usually go for treads in a BF build. You have the dmg so it help you farm faster and give some sustain and tread-switch blink farming.

                          2. I dunno I never go that item. If you can farm ~2k gold item in 6 minutes why not go for early armlet and rekt everyone instead ?

                          3. First supports role is to outzone enemy offlaner from exp zone. Against duo-aggresive lane bb+Kotl you have to either rekt them from lvl 1 aggresively when they are weak or play safe and wait for their mistake. Leaving carry solo may be also a good decision when the lane is too hard so he gets exp. But only if its a hero that can benefit from levels more than from farm eg. Gyrocopter. Otherwise swap the lanes.

                          4. Personally I just dont buy that much wards, ask pos 4 to buy some as well. Also I place wards only where they are needed at the moment (not spamming them randomly on the map). I have a smurf acc on 2k and supports usually place wards near to each other or in places they are useless.

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                          Jacked

                            U can go treads on pa. but don't go treads on ursa. Always phase.

                            A

                              4.Buy ward and place it when night comes. Any core player with weak map awareness always died when night comes that when ward necessary. You cant be rich as pos 5 thats why you play supp and tryhard to win early games

                              A

                                Try playing supp pos 4 (that guy who setup stun and stuff like sk) if u really want to be rich support