@M_K_1001 Yea I really liked TSR. In Hon when you used the TSR mod, the majority of the time you can predict who was gonna win the game before it started solely on TSR rating. I remember people solely leaving on the countdown just cuz of TSR numbers. The only time it was wrong was 5 stacks. But it worked out very good for solo mmr.
I think currently it's too easy to abuse your DSR, I mean I think it's a great idea and I fully support it but just solo queue play carries and do well and your score rockets, or stack with people with a higher DSR than you and yours will auto improve.
Yesterday i had something about 850 dsr with silver rating and i was ok with it, but today I found out I'm jadeite with 1460 dsr. I'm not sure I'm that good player lol.
But I think it's too low because of the bug with pulling non-standard mode game data. I will fix this soon ( those who play RD, CD, CM etc. have lower scores ).
I dont understand why initially you made this count our whole history , and after someone told u to make it about one hundred games you changed it to just twenty ? Dont you think that that is too low ? To get a better rating you should be counting around one hundred to five hundred games , we need to make this less flawed , not more flawed counting bad team mates will severly limit the acore got , at least with one hundred games that is enough to get some statistical inference , twenty games is way too low . Im surprised that you made it so low honestly when you of all peopke should know that the more information given the betger the analysis . You would not parse just one game for this reason.
"But I think it's too low because of the bug with pulling non-standard mode game data. I will fix this soon ( those who play RD, CD, CM etc. have lower scores )."
(S)imba you're a tryharder that stacks most of his games. try playing solo queue 20 games in a row then get your rating again
i can assure u will have around 600 u piece of shit
sampson is just really mad because he got a low rating both times, while even this trash can account was higher in both
Here is something you should know by now - any decent player will, from time to time queue into matches on the first and second page, this has a lot more to do with valve's shitty attempt at match making rather than you being that good. And as the creator has explained quite a few times, its a dynamic system, and can vary a lot depending on the 20 games that you play, and if you queue at random times or get unlucky with low skilled allies/opponents, you can find yourself with a low-ish rating. He also explained that 700-900 DSR is VH, so you would still be pretty highly ranked, easily top 1% and just over 2000 DBR. Another random assumption I'm going to make is that each additional rating point is harder to achieve, its going to be a lot easier to get from 1100-1200/1300 as opposed to moving up from 1800-1900
I think the new one is pretty good, I've only seen a handful of really funny responses that I disagree with (like ^_^). My two main criticisms are that it is probably too harsh on stacks, and too rewarding to solo queue players, the other being that it heavily relies on a good match making system, when in reality, a lot of matches involve people of varying skill levels which can drag up/down a persons rating very easily. ie. my last match on this account probably jumped my rating up by a couple hundred
why u all so srs about that ? skill will never be something u can calculate with datas stop being such dumbasses -__-
lil exemple u play es ur 1-14-14 shitty stats rite , and yet u win the game cuz of good posi/engage/fissure whatefuckever.
kinda same sshit with every heroes tho
Not really good at math I tried doing a parabolic equation but failed miserably but in order to stop smurfs and encourage people to play more on a single account I suggest this factor in the scoring.
Games Played Score Multiplier
0-50 0x
50-300 .5x
301-499 .75x
500-999 1x
1000-1999 1.25x
2000+ 1.5x
Maybe add a wards per game average. To stop drow/slark/troll pickers to get in VH games, hence high DSR. Sorry if it sounds very stupid. But honestly I don't think it's fair if supports are forcing carries to buy wards in pub games period. Also so many smurfs ride into VH with just drow/slark/troll and in the past lycan easily with 20 wins.
Many bad people got many games. Many people play a lot just for fun, not trying to improve. Why should they get an advantage compared to people with low games? (It has nothing about this account got no games) just in general. I just can't see the that "games played = player is better" Games played have nothing to do about the players level. Wards per game? So people can spam base when the game is lost? Wont work either. People will just abuse the system with wards etc. I understand what you mean, but I don't think that is the way to fix it.
Smurfs:
Who cares. They get into the bracket the belong at fast enough. If you are good, you enter a good bracket fast. If you have a good first game (against 1stimers) but are bad, you'll drop in MMR. I don't think it's a problem. I usually don't "smurf" or make new accounts, I just wanted to check out something.
Well I'm sick and tired of smurfs VH with just drow/slark/troll. Back when I had 500ish wins with 52% winrate. I was looking for High level and VH. I was kinda hoping I get there solo queuing. My magic number was ok, 1000 wins maybe, my skill wil show thru,.. 1000 wins passed nothing, So 2000 wins? Only to find I'm with 3-4 stacks who are lower skilled and don't ward as support.
Solo MM is suffering cuz for people like us with 2000+ games there's no incentive to play your old account, besides the games bought there. Many people will have multiple accounts just for dota. 1 for a clan, 1 for friends, 1 for casual and another just to abuse mmr. Imagine 2 years ago, when DBR came out. Just imagine on average 10,000 accounts created newly in 2-3 months, just to get win streaks and on some sort of TOP 50 LADDER SITE. Yea you know what I'm taking about those 30-0 win streaks. Then another 10,000 created just to farm 1500 DBR aka 0 win VETERAN status games.
Sure it's fun but for some solo players like me, just getting out of ELO Hell. I have to face smurfs again with people less than 100 wins? Seriously I remember back when profiles was public. I was at a point where 90% of the solo que was with people under 300 games. They QQ so much, now volvo made them private.
These smurf stackers are just climbing the rating ladders out of the backs of new players and people who don't party/clan, etc... Also what infuriates me 2 years ago was the MM, when you was queued with a party who obviously wasn't YOUR level. One bad fight and they the REPORT hammer is on you. They party queue of 3 or 4 just to get into high level, you can tell cuz they play support and basically a mod attachment to their carry. They run around like 4 man train and fall like dominoes etc...
Making a score multiplier will stop people with under 500 wins looking like they are Dendi class players. Also will stop smurfing from getting like 50-0 win streaks. It will stop people from being a 500+ wins drow picker. I'm sure there are thousands of accounts of smurfs just quitting their accounts once they have ONE loss. Just look at the DBR a new account is 1500 with 'veteran' option. I don't know the others but let's say they are 1000 & 500 respectably. How in the world would people with veteran status lose to players who haven't even beaten AI easy?
Maybe games played could be like the "risk" modifier for the hero points thing that Dotabuff does when you check player ratings? Idk, this looks complicated
What if someone has their account set to private? How will you be able to calculate their score? If you cannot calculate their score, do you make an assumption or prediction to what their score is based on players that aren't set to private whom were in their games?
Also, for those wondering if your score will go from say 1500 to 500 if you go on a 20 game losing streak, it should not. The reason is because it takes into account the score of players you're playing with and even if you go on a losing streak, you should not expect to play much lower level players.
Benao your dka is rather average and your wr with more than half the roster is below 50%, maybe you should take these two things into account before flailing at other players for having a higher rating than you
Er,was there a bug in calculating my score?
http://dotabuff.com/players/130158064<This guy has a score of 750 while mine is 688.I know him in real life and I can confidently tell you that he is not as good as me.Back when the replay skill level function was still around,I was solo queuing in Very High while he was playing Normal bracket.
Could anybody please double check my score?
You've stacked with him that's why your score is so low. You need to play solo or with people from your skill level to get an accurate DSR score. You can make an alt account for playing with your lower skilled friends.
@M_K_1001 Yea I really liked TSR. In Hon when you used the TSR mod, the majority of the time you can predict who was gonna win the game before it started solely on TSR rating. I remember people solely leaving on the countdown just cuz of TSR numbers. The only time it was wrong was 5 stacks. But it worked out very good for solo mmr.
What is my DSR?
@MyDotaSkill.com
can you please check mine ?
Thanks
skynet thats cause u suck
we had a MM in dotalicious and it worked fine!
no game was over from the start and it helped adjust shit
Its your turn to rate me!
way2high 1715
whoji 532
iWin4Arka 1792
you forgot me :(
I think currently it's too easy to abuse your DSR, I mean I think it's a great idea and I fully support it but just solo queue play carries and do well and your score rockets, or stack with people with a higher DSR than you and yours will auto improve.
Yesterday i had something about 850 dsr with silver rating and i was ok with it, but today I found out I'm jadeite with 1460 dsr. I'm not sure I'm that good player lol.
Say all mid and I'll dodge your rating is: 936
But I think it's too low because of the bug with pulling non-standard mode game data. I will fix this soon ( those who play RD, CD, CM etc. have lower scores ).
Do you mind checking mine?
I'm curious as well about mine :)
I dont understand why initially you made this count our whole history , and after someone told u to make it about one hundred games you changed it to just twenty ? Dont you think that that is too low ? To get a better rating you should be counting around one hundred to five hundred games , we need to make this less flawed , not more flawed counting bad team mates will severly limit the acore got , at least with one hundred games that is enough to get some statistical inference , twenty games is way too low . Im surprised that you made it so low honestly when you of all peopke should know that the more information given the betger the analysis . You would not parse just one game for this reason.
Cromwell 1849
(S)imba 1912
Check my rating please.
can you check mine if possible?
Check mine plz, would be nice of u <3
vilho: 417
1912 really? I wonder how this works... (It's official, I'm better than Dendi now)
MyDotaSkill.com #650 DSR
Can you at least tell me why you chose twenty as your lookto number? And why not something higher ?
I also want to know why 20
server got over-loaded ?
^ it's probably easier on the server but before he had it count everything so I don't think it changed it all that much
check my dsr pls, and
good job programmers and even better job on comunicating with players, ignore guys like sampson
"But I think it's too low because of the bug with pulling non-standard mode game data. I will fix this soon ( those who play RD, CD, CM etc. have lower scores )."
http://dotabuff.com/players/67721705
Is that why its only 73 lol
@(S)imba:
Go teach dendi howto play D:
dlg mm was far from perfect either.
(S)imba you're a tryharder that stacks most of his games. try playing solo queue 20 games in a row then get your rating again
i can assure u will have around 600 u piece of shit
dlg mm has been the best mm ive seen being used!
1927 thanks
My rating is 1080. I guess that means I'm super noob? :(
There are people who can outplay Dendi 1 vs 1 and they don't even play competitive Dota.
Simba would stomp most of you here.
1737
Thanks, definitely accurate scoring system. Kappa
Seems to be generally accurate, but I found two outliers on my friends list.
http://imgur.com/a/MpLxi#8
http://imgur.com/a/MpLxi#9
1.1k and 1.4k is definitely not merited on people barely in high. (Forgive me Moark ^_^)
sampson is just really mad because he got a low rating both times, while even this trash can account was higher in both
Here is something you should know by now - any decent player will, from time to time queue into matches on the first and second page, this has a lot more to do with valve's shitty attempt at match making rather than you being that good. And as the creator has explained quite a few times, its a dynamic system, and can vary a lot depending on the 20 games that you play, and if you queue at random times or get unlucky with low skilled allies/opponents, you can find yourself with a low-ish rating. He also explained that 700-900 DSR is VH, so you would still be pretty highly ranked, easily top 1% and just over 2000 DBR. Another random assumption I'm going to make is that each additional rating point is harder to achieve, its going to be a lot easier to get from 1100-1200/1300 as opposed to moving up from 1800-1900
I think the new one is pretty good, I've only seen a handful of really funny responses that I disagree with (like ^_^). My two main criticisms are that it is probably too harsh on stacks, and too rewarding to solo queue players, the other being that it heavily relies on a good match making system, when in reality, a lot of matches involve people of varying skill levels which can drag up/down a persons rating very easily. ie. my last match on this account probably jumped my rating up by a couple hundred
why u all so srs about that ? skill will never be something u can calculate with datas stop being such dumbasses -__-
lil exemple u play es ur 1-14-14 shitty stats rite , and yet u win the game cuz of good posi/engage/fissure whatefuckever.
kinda same sshit with every heroes tho
I got a score of 68......I didnt think I was realllllllllllllllly bad lol
@Hobbit
There is a bug when it comes to any mode but AP.
Should be fixed in next update.
Not really good at math I tried doing a parabolic equation but failed miserably but in order to stop smurfs and encourage people to play more on a single account I suggest this factor in the scoring.
Games Played Score Multiplier
0-50 0x
50-300 .5x
301-499 .75x
500-999 1x
1000-1999 1.25x
2000+ 1.5x
Maybe add a wards per game average. To stop drow/slark/troll pickers to get in VH games, hence high DSR. Sorry if it sounds very stupid. But honestly I don't think it's fair if supports are forcing carries to buy wards in pub games period. Also so many smurfs ride into VH with just drow/slark/troll and in the past lycan easily with 20 wins.
i think the most accurate was still the dotabuff dbr rating.
Skynet:
Many bad people got many games. Many people play a lot just for fun, not trying to improve. Why should they get an advantage compared to people with low games? (It has nothing about this account got no games) just in general. I just can't see the that "games played = player is better" Games played have nothing to do about the players level. Wards per game? So people can spam base when the game is lost? Wont work either. People will just abuse the system with wards etc. I understand what you mean, but I don't think that is the way to fix it.
Smurfs:
Who cares. They get into the bracket the belong at fast enough. If you are good, you enter a good bracket fast. If you have a good first game (against 1stimers) but are bad, you'll drop in MMR. I don't think it's a problem. I usually don't "smurf" or make new accounts, I just wanted to check out something.
Can calculate this guy for me please http://dotabuff.com/players/135749842
I know mine will be very, very low, but I am interested in how this works
@ sjaaryu
Well I'm sick and tired of smurfs VH with just drow/slark/troll. Back when I had 500ish wins with 52% winrate. I was looking for High level and VH. I was kinda hoping I get there solo queuing. My magic number was ok, 1000 wins maybe, my skill wil show thru,.. 1000 wins passed nothing, So 2000 wins? Only to find I'm with 3-4 stacks who are lower skilled and don't ward as support.
Solo MM is suffering cuz for people like us with 2000+ games there's no incentive to play your old account, besides the games bought there. Many people will have multiple accounts just for dota. 1 for a clan, 1 for friends, 1 for casual and another just to abuse mmr. Imagine 2 years ago, when DBR came out. Just imagine on average 10,000 accounts created newly in 2-3 months, just to get win streaks and on some sort of TOP 50 LADDER SITE. Yea you know what I'm taking about those 30-0 win streaks. Then another 10,000 created just to farm 1500 DBR aka 0 win VETERAN status games.
Sure it's fun but for some solo players like me, just getting out of ELO Hell. I have to face smurfs again with people less than 100 wins? Seriously I remember back when profiles was public. I was at a point where 90% of the solo que was with people under 300 games. They QQ so much, now volvo made them private.
These smurf stackers are just climbing the rating ladders out of the backs of new players and people who don't party/clan, etc... Also what infuriates me 2 years ago was the MM, when you was queued with a party who obviously wasn't YOUR level. One bad fight and they the REPORT hammer is on you. They party queue of 3 or 4 just to get into high level, you can tell cuz they play support and basically a mod attachment to their carry. They run around like 4 man train and fall like dominoes etc...
Making a score multiplier will stop people with under 500 wins looking like they are Dendi class players. Also will stop smurfing from getting like 50-0 win streaks. It will stop people from being a 500+ wins drow picker. I'm sure there are thousands of accounts of smurfs just quitting their accounts once they have ONE loss. Just look at the DBR a new account is 1500 with 'veteran' option. I don't know the others but let's say they are 1000 & 500 respectably. How in the world would people with veteran status lose to players who haven't even beaten AI easy?
Maybe games played could be like the "risk" modifier for the hero points thing that Dotabuff does when you check player ratings? Idk, this looks complicated
What if someone has their account set to private? How will you be able to calculate their score? If you cannot calculate their score, do you make an assumption or prediction to what their score is based on players that aren't set to private whom were in their games?
Also, for those wondering if your score will go from say 1500 to 500 if you go on a 20 game losing streak, it should not. The reason is because it takes into account the score of players you're playing with and even if you go on a losing streak, you should not expect to play much lower level players.
Benao your dka is rather average and your wr with more than half the roster is below 50%, maybe you should take these two things into account before flailing at other players for having a higher rating than you
check mine please, TIA!
Fucking hell people...
Type in http://mydotaskill.com/index.php?id= into the browser adding your dotabuff number to the end and it should pop you in the queue.
e.g. mine is http://mydotaskill.com/index.php?id=90503334 just stop asking for someone to "do me please" and go do it yourself.
Mine got an error after I putting my number, if anybody could check it would be great.
Er,was there a bug in calculating my score?
http://dotabuff.com/players/130158064<This guy has a score of 750 while mine is 688.I know him in real life and I can confidently tell you that he is not as good as me.Back when the replay skill level function was still around,I was solo queuing in Very High while he was playing Normal bracket.
Could anybody please double check my score?
You've stacked with him that's why your score is so low. You need to play solo or with people from your skill level to get an accurate DSR score. You can make an alt account for playing with your lower skilled friends.