Orchid is core 99% of the times. And this is the reason why Midas isn't recommended for him: delays your Orchid therefore delays your killing potential
Well, if you were building him more of a hard carry than ganker/carry, then you could probably do the build that OP mentioned, I'd also include butterfly/abyssal as situational items.
But yeah, generally you want to be ganking and picking off heroes where you can, and the quicker you get Orchid up, the better.
Depends on game. If you have advantage with kills as a team at start fb. etc. and better late potencial you can go midas before min 6-7.
You don`t need aquila to much waste of money you can go casual basilus than just build your orchid and boots. When you finish orchid you are going treads and bkb. After bkb dadelus/mkb and after that game need to be over already with your aegis,or even you can build up one more item like Skady or butterfly. Skady+fire arrows works together.
Blink on Clinkz? Just because an item rhymes with a heroes name, doesn't mean he should automatically buy it!
Yes blink on Clinkz. Is very good(It`s not nessesary) but in skilled games you ll better have your dagger. Range on clinkz is just 600 or smth and usually after orchid you need like 2-3 more hits to finish oponent , you just dagger to him and kill instant. Also you have alot more mobility and can escape even when they gem. Is really good. Pros build that at competetive games end of story,can`t be bad.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/399386267 This is good example how to play clinkz build and all other. I carried 3v5 game with 2 leavers.
If you want a replay of top clinkz just watch the VODS of speed gaming at MLG. EternaLEnVy was the one that started new meta blink dagger clinkz
^^ and not a single blink dagger was bought this day!
Conclusion: Sam is worse than me
:D
How can you even get that consclusion? I know you are trolling but everyone said it's situational and it's not that you are buying dagger either.
How about what is the best build for an offlane clinkz? I usually go soul ring into medallion of courage then agility treads, I find that if you have the right type of enemies or allies you can usually pick off people without an orchid.
I'm glad you know I'm trolling, although it was more of a joke than a troll. I've never even played Clinkz, never mind bought a blink for him and if anyone actually thought I was better than you then that is very much their problem, wouldn't you agree?
Although my sub 500 rating on that other site means I'm better than at least 1% of Dota players soooo....FUCK YEAH! 2 STRONK!
I think Soul Ring is a pretty big waste of gold, since Orchid will give you basicaly endless mana (you don't use a lot of mana), besides it doesn't offer you any sort of attack bonus, which turns you into some kind of ranged creep, because clinkz does nothing without high DPS output - that's why he needs an Orchid. If you really think the Orchid won't be good (I'd say it's a very rare situation) then you can skip it and go straight for big damage items such as MKB. BKB is awesome as well but it's better to have good damage before making it.
PS: I have 0% win with Clinkz so whatever
Best build for offlane Clinkz : Don't go offlane with Clinkz. It's pretty much the most terrible idea ever, unless it's a 1v1 lane.
I know soul ring is shit, but it perfect for his ultimate and when you are offlane you do not have the luxuries of buying an orchid. But believe it or not MoC gives around the same dps of orchid for way less in terms of price. The only reason I do not like going carry clinkz is because he is a hero that creates room for other heros to get fat, we all know that he doesnt scale that great in late game and supports tend to buy ghost scepter if he is the main dps on the team.
legit build. I would sometime finish daedalus before bkb. But it all depends on enemy composition. Also yea those orchid builds are so 2011. I mean most noobs don't rush orchid but get a casual treads and getting orchid around 20-30 minute mark. Which by that time, almost all the outer towers are gone. They make get 2-3 gank in the woods but the game's finish by then. Also I would skip midas altogether and just get casual wraith band.
Wraith band-->Treads-->crystalys-->Deadalus-->bkb--->MKB--->heart/bloodstone.
Orchid is a must if fighting heroes with escape mechanisms or spell based like AM, Qop, storm spirit, nature's prophet, tinker, faceless, PA. Without orchid they just run from you, with it you can gank the crap out of them. Facing any one like that I would make it core.
http://dotabuff.com/players/107377798/matches?hero=clinkz&game_mode=&match_type=real
I think i buy blink and fs even before MLG.
Problem with Orchid is that its 4150 gold, by the time you get it they could have items that would counter it. Its all situational I suppose
rush orchid, 12mins is easily doable if you are solo mid or safe lane farm
after 12min orchid, games over
^Realistic star has spoken.
I was refering to a hardcarry Clinkz, not a ganker. I don't consider Orchid viable for a hardcarry clinkz and I'd rather build it on a ganker.
-Yes I know clinkz is usually played as a ganker blablabla but that has nothing to do with the thread.
You don't even get the orchid for only silence. You actually get it because it's the cheapest mana regen item out there that also gives you DPS. Clinkz needs mana badly. Don't pretend he doesn't. How can you guys even do without a mana regen item on him?
If (and only if) you are good, go for blink. Blink is so amazing on those ranged carry heroes (drow clinkz sniper ).
back in dota1 there's dat legendary blink sniper...
Dont listen to the people saying blink is good on clinkz. Its purely for splitpushing so you can blink away when enemy heroes show up
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No it's not JUST for splitpushing. Yes, that's a plusside of blink, but a lot of it is just so you can orchid, fire a few arrows, then blink to their position and shoot a few more. With strafe, you don't really want to attack move since you will be missing a few attacks.
I'm not sure how orchid can be skipped. Assuming biggest jungle creep (1100 hp) R gives 550/715/880 HP and 55/72/88 damage. Linkens is not really an alternative, it costs another 1000 and gives no extra damage potential, although the stats are nice. Orchid is far easier to farm, not requiring a 2100 gold item, and you get the gains from the staffs and other int items immediately. The larger INT pool is also much more important.
Just take a look at Clinkz' abilities. This is why you go orchid 99% of the time.
Q: 90 MP, 30s cd
W: 10 MP per attack
E: 75 MP, 20s cd
R: 100 MP, 45s cd
Just R + Q is 190 MP, add in W for say 10-15 attacks and you have just lost ~300 mana, you might want to escape too with E so it is pretty easy to chew through ~400 MP with Clinkz in 30-40 seconds.
@Level 11
R will give + 72 damage on 1100 hp creep
4 in W gives + 60 damage
> +132 total damage
Orchid gives + 30 damage
> + 162 total damage
Orchid gives + 30 attack speed too
Orchid active amplifies damage 30% on a single target too.
Without the mana pool/regen Clinkz will not be able to keep that damage output up without trips to fountain or just waiting for mana and being passive. Still you need the +25 INT to give the larger pool. I don't see why you would buy normal damage items, when Orchid opens up the possibilities for so much more. Just make sure you don't get caught when your R is down.
brown boots -> orchird -> power thread -> cryxalis/MKB/BKB -> cryxalis/MKB/BKB -> cryxalis/MKB/BKB -> daedalus
What are they going to get that counters orchid? bkb? You stealth up to them and open with orchid before they bkb.
for those who think blink is bad on clink. here is some explain.
clinkz need dps. blink dagger is a dps booster. (as well as provide the mobility and escape/chase)
dps = damage per sec.
without blink: you fire three arrow in 1 sec and move in 1 sec and then fire again...
with blink: you fire three arrow in 1 sec and blink in 0.05 sec and fire 3 arrows in the next 1 sec.
so in this case, blink dagger doubles dps.
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Hey.
I usually go Midas/aquila > power treads > crystalys > bkb > daedalus > Linkens/mkb > satanic/hot/divine
I'm not sure if this is the most optimal but when I go crystalys I have a bounch of damage pretty early with spearing arrows. After bkb I'm close to undead with good positioning.
Your opinion/build?