then my enemys plays bad, I a lot picking BS on the middlelane and win games by overfeed, but now it isnt work.
in this moment(patch and my skillbracket) bloodseeker is nice teammate then you have heroes like invoker, pudge, clockwerk of furion - heroes who can kill low hp hero with long ranged skillshots or global spells.
also it was pure counterpick to amage(then you gank him with guy, who has stun, or something, that can cancel tp)
my bs lane is jungle, coz its useless like any other role, and jungle is safe and not SO important lane, like a mid or easy
bs is a good counter to destroyer... ez win as long as u dont go fucking radiance cause that's just retarded
edit: btw ignora that guy ^ --> unless u wanna end as noob as him or worse
@Avada: Well but with a fed storm you are a much bigger problem for the enemy team for example, nearly all fed midhero is should be able to decide the game alone. The passive ability is good, no question about it but i think thats not much compared to others.
@Benao: Why is bs a counter for od? He can deny you lasthits with prison and you have to start with lifeleech, that means around 2 lanes he can control easily after that he has the advantge specially cause he should be able to get the runes before you.
I really like to Play him paired with an decent invoker going max exort first. These sunstrikes are really dangerous.
decent counter to slark, sometimes people picked against me in TMM. but it never really worked.
I like countering weaver offlane with him. I almost always jungle with him and start ganking the offlane with silence from level 2 if I see we can get a kill.
BS is particularly good against Slark, also Weaver, Clinkz, because they all rely on high mobility, invis, and not being silenced. BS is also good against teams that picked only slows instead of stuns.
In lower level pubs Rupture is a sure kill, but BS is still very good in a coordinated high skilled teams if you pick up other heroes that also rush in and kill you even under a tower. Rupture can be a great tool to force a team to fight when they don't want to.
BS is excellent at controlling melee carries with magic immunity because rupture is hp loss. A Lifestealer that cannot move despite rage for 9 seconds is useless in a fight.
Try doing this. Pick up a support silencer and Bloodseeker for the offlane. Bloodseeker gets a point into his silence. Silencer gets a point into his mana and life drain so long as you don't cast a spell. By the time Silencer is level three (with two points in mana and life drain) you should easily be able to harass any carry out of lane by Bloodseeker casting his silence and then silencer following up with mana and hp drain. Of course this lane is weak because it has no disable so you might want to pick it vs a team whose mid hero is a bad ganker (like dp) but in theory any carry in their safe lane should be out of mana and hp in no time.
when i was still playing CM
i love it when enemy picked BS
the only BS that worth to be afraid of is the one who can finish radiance fast
rather than that they probably falling at late game
and then abaddon cast a shield and completely nullifies that shit combo.
bs good vs slark. that bitch can't heal with ulti.
I think a lot of the issue with BS is that people don't play him like they should. I tend to play him as RAWR, I CAN KILL and will tower dive and make some dumb ass decisions when I see someone low.
Bloodseeker is good vs any of those pub melee junglers who will sit at half hp first 10 mins of the game.
Just pick him + 1 support with early killing potential and you'll make the enemy Axe/Naix/Ursa/etc life hell.
Also great against any spell-dependent heroes assuming the enemy team doesn't have LC/Abaddon to purge off the Silence.
Strong against alot of conventional utility mids such as Puck, wrecks high-mobility mids that rely heavily on spells such as QoP and Puck. Needs a team that can play well with him. Make sure that you have enough heroes good at five-manning or split-pushing as BS gets countered very easily by five-manning.
Since he is my most played hero and I have 57-60 Winratio on him and a KDA of 4 I can give you some advices. My Matchmakingratio was determined last week and is currently at 3800. I made a Dotabreak of 2 month, so i think i will hit the 4k in several weeks.
1. When to pick:
He is a situational hero, also I tend to play him as 9v1 hero, if I am really frustrated about recent games, since I am most comfortable with him and have alot of xp with him.
You can counter alot of enemy heros:
- Timbersaw/Mirana/Antifun gernally every hero that relies on a leapbased skill or movementspeed as escape with Rupture
- Od/Storm/Puck generally every caster with 7 sek silence
- Inviheros with silence and thirst
- Junglers/Slark with thirst
- Carries with lowhp, that depend on bkb/immunity
Esp against antimage i love going bs.
2. How to lane
a) Midlane
aa) Generally
You have Bloodthirst as a healing spell, so you rely on your lasthits. Make sure you get them! You sadly have no nuke to harrass effectivly. So basically you can't kill your enemy (unless hes really low), but he should not be able to kill. Be aware of misses. BS has no esacpe and no stun. So you are vulnerable to ganks.
Against nukers that spam: Silence them before you want to take some lasthits/denies, so they cannot cast!!!!
You don't need runes and a bottle but you should still make sure, that your enemy does not get runes. Runes mean spammable spells, wich equals your death. So even if you are not relying on runes, get them!
Midlane can be tricky to really easy. Depends on your enemy. With melee strength midlaners you will have an easy game. Since they have to come close to the creeps, you can harrass them with autoattacks. They can't exchange hits with you, cause you can healup, while they can't.
bb)Meleeenemy
Kunkka/Pudge/Balanar:
Most games a melee midlaner will be a pudge. Just stay always in the creepline, so he can never land a hook. If he uses rot to lasthit, try to get silence on him. Rot will stay for 7 sek on, wich really hurts. Keep him low from lvl 1 on. The first 3 lvls are the most important in this linupe. I specialmention it, cause in every 2.-3. game a pudge will be mid. Try to keep him low. Some pudges will try to make the "move" on you with rot on. Don't run, the slow will catch you there anyways. Just hit him and make sure you stay next to creeps. The hard part is his hook, this will throw you back in the hp race down. So make sure that he starts on a lower point (aka harrass good). Don't panic, keep an eye on the creeps that sorround you. Just make some lasthits during the rotinfight and you will be ahead again (since your creeps will die in his rot). A uphill ward can work wonders.
Balanar/Kunkka/Tiny have not such special thinks. For tiny just don't get cocky and don't try to fight him without creeps. Ava toss will hurt if he grabs you. Kunkka has basically no chance until 6, since you can easy stand the harrassment of tidebringer. Balanar will get dangerous once he hits 6, so make sure you get there before him.
Some smartasses will put slark or ursa against you. Here you have to make sure, that you don't exchange too many hits in a row. They hit harder than you do over time. So just harrass. Slark can be quite dangerous, since he has some burst potential, so I do not recommend going mid against him.
- Magnus: Easy food. Just don't get pulled under his tower. His nuke won't hurt enough and is dodgable. Still: Don't give him all the runes!
cc) Ranged heros
The ranged heros are not automatically harder to deal with, but some are too hard on equal skilllvl.
- Invoker: With Coldsnap he will make your life hell. Whenever you wan't to get a lasthit, he will land it on you and shoot you down. You can't take 2 coldsnaps in a row, without getting full hp. So make sure, that you heal fast. A hard lineup. Not winnable, but no reason to feed.
- Qop: Face it, you won't win this one. Qop is the most annoying hero. Whenever you try to get a lasthit she will slow you and land several hits on you. You will lose the lane, but you do not have to feed. Against a good qop you will need a salve sooner or later. I don't go mid against Qop, so you should do the same.
- OD: He can't kill you, you can't kill him. Just farm, make sure you hit lvl 6 before him (wich will be hard against imprison).
- Puck: Medicore lineup. Unlike qop he has a poor animation an lower damage, so lasthitting will be no problem. Lvl 4 onward you have to keep an eye on your hp, since he has 2 nukes. Make sure you get the runes and you will hit lvl 6 before him. After hitting 6 you can kill him. Pucks attackrange is not the best and his armor isnt high. Try to get hits on him.
- Zeus: Low attackdamage aka easy lasthits. he will sooner start getting creeps with spells. Runecontrol is the key again. If he can spam his spells you lose the lane. If he runs out of mana, he is a creep with high armor. Zeus is slow and has low attackrange. You can harrass him with physical attacks, and you should do it.
- Orbwalkers (Viper, Clinkz, Silencer): Clinkz is rare in mid and easy food. Against viper and huskar you will have a hard time. Against Viper you can't win. So just don't go bs against her.
- Storm: Not hard to deal with. His burst is not scary until lvl 6. The harrassment does not hurt, he has to come close to hit, so you get hits on him, too. Runes are important, but not as important as against puck.
- DP: Dp has shitty attackanimation, so lasthits should be yours. Her nuke has low cd and hurts alot. So make sure, she does not have the mana to spam it. If she hits lvl 6, your tower will go.
- SF: The early lasthits are pretty important. Don't let him get up his damage for free. He should be forced to use razes for that. You need the runes. Also later on 2 razes will hurt, so this lineup will be in favour of him.
- Batrider: No chance face it. He will win the lane and kill you on lvl 2-3. Simply a bad idea going against him.
b)Safelane
BS on Safelane has his pros and cons. Pro is, that you are pretty solid on lane. Killing and harrassing a bs is not that easy, unless you face a trilane or a dual stun lane with heavy nukes. Also you have a babysitter. You will make a much better game on the safelane than a void or specte.
Downside is, that you do not scale that well into lategame. BS is only a semicarry. So if you put him safe, you should have a harder guy in the jungle or you need to make sure, that you end fast, if the enemy has a hardcarry.
c) Jungle
Crap, crap, crap. Unlike the (i think) russian dude told in this thread: BS is a crappy jungler. You have nothing to kill neutrals fast, unlike naix (feast), ursa (swipes) or lc (moment of courage). You farm incredibly slow. Jungle is NOT safe beyond 3500 MM. They will come for you, and they will kill you.
d) Offlane
NO! Slow, no escape, no stun. With a lich against a weak safelane, maybe. But generally: NO !.
3. Items
a)At start
Stoutshield, Tangos, Cullingblade. The shield protects. I make a pms often. The CB ensures lasthits, the tangos are sometimes needed.
b)Items to consider:
- Boots: PHASEBOOTS. They give you mobility, they give you damage, they make it easier to chase, since you can dive through creeps. Every other choice is inferior.
- Radiance: Great item, if you get it below the 20 min mark. 24 min is the latest point to go for it! Better get it at 18. Great synergy with your chasing potential. Nice damage (60) and the emolation saves your ass sometimes (you get a creep or a kill and you are back in the game). During teamfights, i cast my spells and wait. Just run arround with max ms (since someone WILL be in range for thirst). The emolation hurts enough early on. Only go in the infight, if you are sure that you can kill and there are no heavy disables arround.
- Blademail: Great item! Cast rupture, run towards an enemy (if he has no tp) and start hitting him. You are 1 spell ahead of him, and every spell he casts, will hurt him too. The difference is, that you will have full hp and max ms after he died, so you can get away.
- BKB: Selfexplanatory
- Butterfly: NIce to have, but not the best synergy if you go blademail.
- Heart: REALLY NICE, if you go Radiance, Blademail, Hot. You want the enemy to damage you, cause you will heal if they die. I even skip the BKB, since i get more damage, and getting more damage is good with blademail.
- Shadowblade: Not the best choice, but sometimes ok, if the enemy towers go down fast. You can gank better with it.
- Forcestaff: The old forcestaff was a must have. The new one sucks dick. The ring is a waste, the int was a nice to have on the old force staff, but not so needed on bs. Some BS still get it, I still cry over the loss of the old one.
- Dagon: Funbuild. You can kill faster in midgame, but you will lack dps later on, since getting dagon and radiance on time won't work. I do not recommend.
- Eblade: Goes into Dagonbuild. Eblade/Dagon 5/Rupture hurts. But the "normal" built is better.
- Deso: Can be a nice alternative to radiance for dps.
4. Playstile
In the laning phase play like explained in the section laning. After the laning phase make sure you gank everytime your ult is up. the lvl 6 ult does not hurt that much, so you won't be able to kill full hp solo heros. They will just stop moving and there you go with phaseboots only... Nothing scary. Use your ult in coordinated ganks with others. Esp disablers, since tp will counter you. After your first dps item and lvl 11 you can solopickoff supports. You can even dive, since you can silence them. With Deso or radi they will need to press tp home fast, if they want to survive. If they just tped in, you get the kill. Using rupture needs some expierence. Don't waste it too early. Don't be ashamed to "steal" a kill from a support. Don't steal from a hardcarry. Cast it in the middle of a teamfight. The confusion will lead the enemy often to move arround more. Like explained in the radi section: Move around, and only start hitting, if it is safe!
You will get alot of kills after lvl 11, since someone of the enemy team WILL be on 3/4 or lower at some point. Those targets are easy to rupture and kill.
The standardargument:
TP counters bs is valid for many other heros, like viper, huskar, clinkz, riki. You can still ball out of control with them. Its pubdota. And ppl will always make mistakes.
Have fun snowballing.
Thanks 9v1 for your b.seeker info, i haven't really tried him since dota 1 and i might give him a try now after reading all that.
bs is amaizing and by amaizing i mean amazing at being useless Bs can only win if enemies have no srs disables and heals and are way less competent than bs player or his teammates
so in other words u can pick bs 100games in a row and win 50% with valves mm
Bs key to the imba strat of all global: bs+ voker+ furion+ aa+ zeus. if the enemy is at half hp rofl!
@ Cyka
Read what I have written above. He is a situational hero, but not useless. He has pro's and cons, runned on safelane or midlane. He can win against some commonmidlaners with ease. Run on safelane he starts getting active earlier than a hardcarry and reaches his ceeling way waster. Although his ceeling is not as high as the ceeling of most carries.
I can pick BS 220 games and win 57% with a 4.01 KDA. And I won't consider myself so extraordinary, that I can beat the MM.
It is not high skill pro dota what we are playing. We play pubs. Even the 3900-4500 Score players are Pubplayers. And still:
Even in Prodota BS is sometimes picked, and sometimes with success. Most of the pubheros that you can easy stomp with are rarley seen in pro dota (Ursa, Slark, Riki, Clinkz, BS).
He has prema 120% extra damage that with crits can get up to 1200 damage with s&y,daedalus & hod
He can prevent you from moving normally without tps. (Works great vs qop and AM and timber)
He hard counters slark
He can outcarry carries like naix late game
He regens all hp when any kill happens around him
He has AWESOME stat gain
He has an good attack animation
If you don't want to add something productive to the discussion just don't write something. Poor with 44% wr on bs, ofc you are frustrated. but keep practicing.
hero is useless and your winrate means nothing if u dont believe me play next 10games as bs and win 6/7 of them and i am not frustraded personally i couldnt care less about winrate or kda only thing that means something to me in dota 2 are decent games
^ wave version "wall of text"
No one is going to read a post that long
People dont enjoy reading that much
You should summarize your points to the shortest
http://dotabuff.com/matches/463544434
This game was particularly difficult because Clockwerk afk farmed until he had linkens, he even took safelane forcing silencer to solo offlane and putting us behind early. At least once he got it he started doing work. But in the end my team was more coordinated despite two being Peruvians and only speaking Spanish.
Silencer's ult really won this game by giving us time to do some dmg through all those bkbs. Every time I managed to stay alive through a fight nearly all enemies died because of radiance BS ability to easily finish off fleeing heroes. It's important for bloodseeker to die last. He should not take damage until there is a good chance of heroes dieing near him to fill him back up. Also building tanky items and movespeed is very effective. If you have a bloodseeker on you team try to get as much dmg done early in a fight as possible and let him clean up.
This game was also especially difficult because Invoker attempted to KS every kill and succeeded a number of times. But BS does now still heal some even if you get ksed. It used to be a huge problem. Invoker ksed well enough with sunstrikes to get 4 more kills than assists. Probably he thought this was good... but when you have a bloodseeker try to give him the kills if possible. Don't be afraid to cast a nuke... just do it sooner to get the hero low instead of waiting to ks.
Bloodseeker can jungle, but you need to stay near whichever lane is most likely to have a fight start. Always be looking to rush to the fight when it starts. BS is very good at turning early fights around. Don't wait for enemy's to get low, pay attention and start moving when the first spells are cast instead of finishing off a final creep. Arriving 2 seconds sooner can mean a double kill instead of nothing.
Bloodseeker should not afk jungle until elite items. He should jungle just to stay off the map always looking for a chance to attack. Try to use your ult and kill someone every minute its up.
If you want simple answers to a complex game you are going to have a hard time. I answered the question of the op how to play bs. I made even a numerasation of every point.
you just complicate shit and walk around the question thats why u wrote about item choices lanes and much more
every autist can type a lot but whats the point when dude gives simple question that can be answered in 1 sentence or 2
Yeah russians. Can't beat them in any way. Autists can't type generally. Op can decide if he wants to read the information or not. He said that he wants to get better on certain heros, i explained how to pick, lane and play bs. Ever read a guide in dota? They are pretty long sometimes.
Dumb fucks bad at reading should just stfu when someone bothers to post something constructive, don't need to tell the world that you're an ignorant asshat.
bloodseeker is actually pretty good against almost all the ''meta'' stuff that is flying around in pubs
he shits on earth spirit, slark, brood, ember, weaver, furion, storm etc
the problem is he's still a pretty shitty hero and can't deal with them alone unless he gets a couple of opportunities to grab multiple kills in the early game and get the ball rolling, also if your team starts losing and enemy goes 5 manning down the lane he's one of the most useless heroes you can have so it's pretty much a gamble
when you pick him to counter somebody it's not like you picked nyx to counter a tinker and are guaranteed to be a pain in the ass, you're basically hoping that your early game goes well enough so that you can actually do stuff to their heroes
dont call me russian u faggot x[
^ asian
90 of his post was mental masturbation that had nothing to do with op question
He's not role 1 or 2 anymore, at most a 3? He's not being played like a slark or tusk no more which is sad. Blademail, TPs and stuns just counter him.
Due to these trilanes he pretty much falls of. In a proper dual lane he does fairly well. I mean mid to late game. He works like silencer and puck in a way. One spell to silence a caster and rupture to keep one hero locked down. His life steal keeps in alive in group fights but that's about it. I'd say he a bit better than jungling CM.
lol, 3 of the people boasting about their stats with BS in this thread have most of their games with him in the high bracket or lower.
avada kedavra, ~57 of your 71 games with BS are in the normal bracket, thnx
random viet dude ~47 of your 56 games are in the high bracket or lower, thnx
9v1, ~203/231 of your matches are in the high bracket or lower, the 28 that aren't I cannot see anyway, lol, at least you tried to offer some advice, but no one asked for that
@OP, he is a shitty hero that basically relies either on you to heavily out skill the enemy, get lucky with runes and to snowball out of control. Despite a couple of buffs/changes, he is still a subpar hero. He can mid lane OK, but really isn't a threat unless he does pick up a few kills, and even then he needs a big advantage to maintain a big threat, who would otherwise fall off quite sharply. Compared to say, Storm Spirit who becomes a ridiculous hero.
I think if you had good sidelanes, you could play BS against a mid hero that can't do a whole lot to him, someone like Puck where BS can get to level 3 pretty easily and sit in the lane, and the silence really fucks with puck, and then you extend into blademail/necro3/force and just push with the team. Not a strong hero, doesn't excel at much, but not to the point where he is unusable. But there is a long list of heroes you would choose over him at any position.
anyone else find it ironic that Terrible hides behind a account he doesnt play on calling people out for their stats?
single target silence breaks a lot of carries like LS and antimage, rupture goes through BKB now...yeah just put him on the sidelane.
and @the idiot who said TP and blademail was a counter. getting blademail on said carries is utterly stupid because AM/weaver have shitty hp to begin with (AM needs a heart to get any form of decent HP to keep up with BS) and the damage is gonna be coming from more than one source. the point of the hero would be to repeatedly gank heroes that rely on their skills to avoid gank like weaver AM lifestealer etc. sure you can tp out but most ganks aren't done by one hero (in better games) and in shittier games nobody carries a tp. roam with supports, enemy AM has a battlefury but can't use it and ur carry can just 5 man with your team after you kill the enemy AM/weaver/LS.
anyway tl;dr point click silence + rupture = great ganking potential vs heroes like AM weaver and LS. also completely shits on them in teamfights. and if you get a linkens he can just get an atos if its really a problem, pop linkens and move on.
Mr. 13 games. Tp counters his ult fairly well. Also blademail is for support who are going vs. a farmed daedalus weidling bs. TLDR but this thread is about how SUCKY BS has become!
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I can't remember my last game with or against a bloodseeker with gameimpact. I play matches around 4k-4.2k cause of that i think it can't be that i just encounter noobs picking him.
From my point of view he simply has no specific role where he shines. There are a lot of better gankers, specially cause you can counter his solo ganks with a simple tp.
There are a lot of better carrys, he has no abilitys to push or to counter pushes.
His best abilitys so far are the silence and the passive ability to see wounded enemys, but that alone is not much.
I try to get better with some heros i just used a few times during the last year, but with him i'm really clueless how to improve. Can anyone give me some hints? Atm i don't see a point in picking him and thats quite sad cause he has a unique skillset.