u have really low KDAs on all your heroes which means ure a FEEDER which means ure BAD which means u have a spot for u in 2k bracket
Doesn't matter if you win 10/10 calibration. I was probably 1-2/10 but I still got 4503. Your MMR was based on your hidden rating in normal mm.
Your # of games ain't that many yet & you're barely hanging above 50% so it's not really surprising if you get 2.5k-3k.
would you say its a case of "play more games and win them", rather than any significant change to what im doing in the games?
I won 3 games lost 7 in calibration and had 4550 starting rating that doesn`t matter much. Calibration 100-200 max points -/+ depends on your previous hiden bracket also.. Why are you suprised? What you expect ? 5000? Your kda are very bad and understanding on game still poor,you need to improve alot buying wards and healing team-mates wont get you 5000 what`s so hard in buying wards? Who can`t do that? You need to start understanding a game on a next lvl probably you doing everything wrong in your games you just don`t realize and and probably no one near you can tell you same cos you don`t have much more skilled friends at your steam.
Well it seems the problem is the fact I was shit at dota for the first six months, I guess the mountain is bigger to climb than I thought
Your KDA's are pretty damn low for someone who thinks he's a lot better then his mmr indicates. My sister is around 2.5k mmr too, she knows how to play most suports and some other heroes, but she doesnt really know how to position well in fights depending of the hero she plays, not on the lane as not in fights. She's quite descent for her 200 games played tho (pretty high overall kda's although playing mostly supports) and will go up till 3k soon, i'm sure of that (she started with 1k mmr)
If you really want to improve, first learn your heroes really well. Harrash oponents a lot and help your carries in every way you can, learn to last hit and deny well, buy wards and curiers, but PLS DONT GO full support = no items, feeding for the team, etc. If you think you're better then your teammates, then you need items or really good play to impact the game a lot.
Also roam around if you think you can get a kill, gank jungle here and there, at every time carry TP and some sentry (dust) if oponents have invis heroes. First you have to learn positioning well, then you will know when to attack and when to go back. More heroes you know, better you can react. Watch some pro or high lvl games too, it surely helps a lot. And mostly - good luck.
I knew this would happen, I knew as soon I would mention my MMR people would assume I have no idea how to play the heroes I am playing. I'm not expecting people to go and look through the replays of my games, but I am always sure to never be caught out of position, or spend all my money on wards. My KDA's on my most played heroes are bad because my "most played heroes" are pretty much the ones I played for my first 6 months of dota, where I really sucked. Please don't keep brandishing me with the brush of "you need to learn how to play the game" because my last 6 months are noticeably better than the first
@ op; if u don't have 4.5k+ u really shouldn't be lecturing most of the members here, 90% of them would probably win 2.5k matches with 1 hand tied behind their backs
Not trying to lecture people, I'm just saying that I shouldn't be tarred with the "you don't know what you're doing because your mmr is X" I'm not trying to argue that my MMR should be higher than what it is, I'm just trying to explain to people that I can actually play dota, considering everyone seems to ink I'm an idiot
i'm not interested but feel free to ask anyone else with at least 500 mmr higher to see what u are doing incorrectly in ur games. ofc the insight u are going to get from a 5k player is going to be immensely more helpful than one by a 4k player (though the latter might put it in terms u are more comfortable with)
Lol Knight. And who exactly said that? Did you even read what i wrote to you in a hope you will actually get something from that? Good luck improving with that attitude. And if you're still at 2.5k with 600 games played - YES, you probably DO suck. You know basics, but thats about it.
Sugar I read all of what you said, and while I acknowledged that my KDA's are quite bad, everything else you suggested are things I already do, I wasn't specifying to you in particular but it seems as though everyone thinks I'm some "buy shadow blade every game/always pick noob hero" type person
Look anyone who is looking at this and thinking I'm trying to say the MMR system is screwing me over - I'm not thinking that, the only reason I am disagreeing with you guys on certain points is because the things you are suggesting I do, are things I already do. I think Symphonia's advice of asking a higher mmr player to analyse my gameplay is probably the best bet to getting actual advice on what I'm doing, as I can't expect anyone else to know without watching all my games, sorry if I came across of arguing for the sake of it
Nice that we solved that "attitude thing" :) Its good for you that you know all of this, but one is to know something in theory and the other thing is practicing this in real matches over and over again. I can assure you - if you could do all we have told you here, you would be 3k at least.
The thing i really pointed out is POSITIONING. Thats in my opinion, the most important thing in Dota. With good positioning skill you can harash without recieving a lot of dmg and get quick kills too, especially in this mmr range. If you really know all we have told you here, thats the first thing you have to practice A LOT. I will actually take time and analize some of your games (that you played ok in your opinion) tomorrow. I'll try to find you the thing you have to improve most :)
I think this will just be a thing that takes a while to change, I'm not going to deny my first 6 months of dota were good, because I started by knowing absolutely nothing, and I can see now that it's probably that that puts me in a lower bracket, I'll play a few more matches as I'm currently going and see if it improves at all. The way I look at it I've made a lot of progress recently, but I'm comparing that to the utter hole of shit I appear to have dug myself into in my early dota days
Cool. But you should know one thing. I started with 1k rating picking beginner and playing like noob for first half year too. I played with my friends who mostly didnt know shit, but still managed to get to 3.5k on my main and i'm getting close 4k on this one (started as experienced player here). If you are better then those guys you play with, just pick a carry you know to play and win the game. It's hard to win a game with a support, especially if you're unlucky with your teammates, but it can be done. You should outfarm and outplay them without much problems if you really improved a lot recently. It cant be done every game tho, but most of them you should be fine.
i didnt see anything bad from your games, score and other things... 2 kda? who cares BUT i did see you stack a lot and you barely have 50% win rate... in other words you suck and a lot... if u rly think u r THAT good go do 10 games solo queue at that mmr and if ur rly good u will win at least 9 out of 10 without much difficulty playing any hero and role! Otherwise just accept you fucking suck. How to get better mmr? stop playing with those trashy friends of yours, start IMPACTING the game because from what i see you're the useless type of support that never engages in time (or even correctly when u do) or helps in teamfights!
do u know how to win the game? DESTROY THE THRONE! At that mmr u can get necro and autoattack in a lane and take rax! i mean how fucking bad are u? like rly!
stop whining u noob piece of shit
"How to get better mmr? stop playing with those trashy friends of yours". Yep, exactly. That's how i started to improve - i stopped playing with my trashy friends and actually learn the game better.
Alright Knight...let me rip one of your games apart. The hour long disruptor loss.
#1 You didn't control the illusions from the rune.
#2 You're clearly not communicating with your team.
#3 You only harass through skills. Auto attack makes for a great harassment tool.
#4 You don't know how to animation cancel.
#5 You were slow to go on Gyro's initiation and instead of scoring a possible double kill, you caused a kamikaze to happen.
#6 Gyro initiates again, but you're so slow on the pick up that they escape your Kinetic Field as you're putting it down. (you know there's a delay right?)
#7 You also don't follow up very quickly and just sort of watch as Gyro dies, getting off 1 auto attack before he dies, instead of the 5-6 you could have done causing a kill to happen. EVEN IF GYRO MADE A STUPID MOVE GOING AFTER THAT, IT IS YOUR DUTY TO HELP YOUR CARRY SECURE A KILL, NOT WATCH HIM DIE.
#8 The lane is pushed all the way to the tower and you're not pulling/stacking/anything to be helpful.
#9 Enemy initiates on gyro and you chose to run away...then throw up your field only "trapping" puck and end up sacrificing yourself due to running to the side shop rather than with your carry or catching centaur.
#10 You didn't take a rank of Glimpse against a Puck. Do you realize how powerful this is?
#11 You tp top when the action is over, leaving gyro to 1v1 against puck whom he nearly loses to, but if you were still there, was a guaranteed kill on puck.
#12 You're not roaming, you're not keeping an eye on other lanes, you're not coordinating.
#13 You just straight up feed bottom lane. I don't know what you were thinking at 10:20, but I'm going to guess you weren't.
I think I'm'a just cut off here. More errors than minutes have gone by. I could keep going, but I don't know you well enough to care to. Oh while typing this and getting captured in the action at around 13:00...do you have any idea how much more damage you would have done if you had just auto attacked or been there sooner? That would have been a dire wipe.
Knight Of End
You must take a fact that still you actually suck. You are better ofc than first 6 months but that absolutly don`t mean anything. You can`t say that some heroes you play good when you are still 2.5k mmr you just can`t say it, alot ppl here play dota 3-10 years so you ll need time to improve you just can`t get 5k over night. I don`t know your goals but if you want higher mmr play solo queue do your best next 100 games if you get 3k+ than that mean you improved actually if you play next 100 and still 2.5k than you doing everything wrong as I said.
I know what you mean bogi I'm not expecting to go anywhere near 5K anytime soon, I was literally just asking for ideas on how to improve. After getting my mmr tonight I'm going to try and aim for 3K by the end of this month.
And dipshit this is the kind of feedback I was looking for, although in my defence a lot of the points you mentioned are due to the fact there was a lack of communication, which I take partial but not whole blame for, I'll review those points tomorrow when I get the chance, a lot of errors occurred because I was getting lag spikes (something which I didn't expect) but regardless a lot of what you point out is still rather valid. It wasn't one of my best games by a long shot. I think I was too cautious in that game, trying too much not to die rather than being in the action early game
I watched that Disruptor game too (dont have a clue how me and Dipshit picked the same damn game lol) and i've seen a typical 2.5k mmr player there. You buy wards and curier - which is nice, you have an idea which items are ok for you and team. But your positioning and lack of agression on the lane is just awful. Like he said - you can harash with autoattacks and when they are low, you throw spells and initiate on them. Also late tp's, late reactions, and thats the difference between 2.5k and 3k player. A 3k or higher mmr player would have dominated that lane really hard. Gyro could snowball from there and won you the game if you reacted better and got killls. It's just mechanics you have to learn in order to improve.
Yeah I'll agree with you on that one, my lack of aggression was mainly because I was worried I'd lag up and feed, and again, that wasn't my best demonstration of positioning etc either.
No excuses. Tell yourself you fucking suck at dota just like I do and everyone else. Be critical about your plays. Watch your replays and see what you did wrong. NO excuses. Flaming your carry will do no good. Try to get out of your comfort zone and learn how to play other roles to give you a better understanding of the game. Play a lot of games, this way you'll improve your technical skills like positioning and last-hitting since you seem to be lacking one. Positioning is key and is probably one of the most important things in dota.
lag? spikes? u srsly gonna blame on that shit?
communication?
are u fucking serious?
I PLAYED 3 YEARS DOTA IN SOUTH AMERICA (notice dota not dota 2) with tons of lags and spikes and super fucking delay a shit (since i was playing from europe) and still managed to get to finals and semifinals in tournaments!
communication? IM FUCKING MUTED EVERY WEEK and guess what IT LASTS A FUCKING WEEK! so in avg, thinking positively im able to comunicate every other week for a couple of games! And u think that affects me? OFC it fucking does but not as much as not beng ABLE TO DO MY FUCKING JOB and NOT UNDERSTANDING WTF IS HAPPENING AROUND THE MAP AND IN THE GAME ITSELF!
get some fucking humility u fucking scum, play better and play SOLO
dude u dont even know how to fucking harras! basic of fucking basics to win your fucking lane
even vaelditthia that has been playing a couple of months does that in a decent way and has reached 3k!, not even sucking so much when stacking with higher skilled players 4 and 5k mmr
I can see why you're muted, jeez
Also, I'm not blaming all my failures on lag spikes because that's a cheap excuse, however that was the reason why I was slow to react in the lane, obviously many failings don't come under that, I was explaining some, not all.
Also when did I ever blame the carry?
http://dotabuff.com/matches/484355600
This is my next recent disruptor game (the one before the one you guys watched) and it clearly went a lot better. Obviously there are still problems with it, but is there anything blatantly different as to why I did good in this one and not in the one you all watched?
I'm too lazy to watch your games (sorry!) but calibration put me at about 2900 and I just won my way up to 3500. When I was at your winrate, I was at like 3300.
Anyway, judging from Dipshit's post, you need to read more guides. I don't specialise in any role which means I'm probably not winning as much as say if I specialised in support and practiced support every game but I still win a lot because I read a lot of guides. For instance, if you read the guide below you'd know to harass with your autoattacks and how to avoid creep aggro and it's not even a guide about support.
http://www.dotascene.org/index.php/topic/320-chaqs-guide-to-solo-mid/
And since you didn't pull, you should probably read a guide about pulling and stacking. Did you ward? Did you fly the courier fast? When did you complete mek? (I know this isn't a pro game where you should have 4 buying mek and 5 buying wards but in pubs you probably have to do both if you're playing support – and I can still get mek at around 25 minutes even in a losing game, which isn't ideal, but still helps.) Did you gank other lanes when your offlane opponent wasn't in lane to give your carry solo exp? How many times did you die because of bad map awareness/positioning?
One of my biggest weakness is positioning, especially when we're winning, which Chinese players call 浪-ing. Basically, when you're winning badly, you go up solo farming a random lane really far in and get ganked, or you don't arrive to teamfights and your team goes 4v5 and loses (which is why my Spectre is pretty good since her ult is a get-out-of-jail-free card in this situation). This is a pretty big thing but since I last hit and deny pretty well, I buy wards even if I'm not the support: my last Mirana game, I got tired of playing support 5 games so I went something more carry-ish. And I ended up as the one buying wards and courier and supportish items (vlads, ac, drums) that also give me carry potential and we ended up winning 4v5.
If you have Skype, you could add me and I'd play with you (I'm used playing with high pings from before Chinese Dota existed on my old account, just not say, heroes like Puck, where you need that 0.1 cast animation and not 0.3), and point out your mistakes in that game.
@Op stop thinking you're good...I have 4.2k mmr and I actually think I'm not that good of a player...of course im better than most people I know but honestly you can't call yourself good at the game until your 5k mmr
We have roughly the same number of games and im at 4.4k mmr. Have a look at my profile to see if it helps but honestly I'm not sure how the mmr thing is decided. Maybe a mix of kda and win rate, who knows.
Many Dotabuff players are afflicted with illusory inferiority. 2.5k MMR is significantly above average for a pub dota player, but people are blindly and completely fixated on their own perspective. If they are higher than XXXX MMR then it is "bad" and only those much higher than them are good. Its a selfish, childish why of thinking... and that's not surprising since so many of them really are in fact children and act like it in-game and out.
Since so many ppl who post on dotabuff are top 1% players but adamantly refuse to believe they are good you get a bizarrely distorted view of reality from them... to the point that many seem to HATE those who are slower or less experienced at dota 2 than they are.
Its because they have Dunning Kruger "illusory inferiority". They truly believe that they are not particularly good and have no concept of how extremely wrong they are. They imagine that since dota is easy for them it is easy for others and find the sort of errors nearly everyone who plays dota makes incomprehensible. They see such mistakes as signs of being lazy or stupid or apathetic because they know that such mistakes would indicate being lazy, stupid, or apathetic if they (an elite player) made them.
The high MMR players see their own mistakes... ordinary players are not able to know when they have made mistakes or not. Because the excellent players are able to see the game, they imagine that others can see it too. It is inconceivable to them that ppl would be playing dota and not see what they see in the same situation... again in part because they are children... still to young to realize how fully selfish and blind they really are toward others.
Because such people don't call themselves good (and are very selfish) they take personal offense if you dare to say you are good. It's not that they disagree and think you are bad... if it were just that they would not bother to tell you. It's because you are perceived to be stealing from them if they think you dare to claim something they want but don't have and maybe don't even believe they can achieve.
As for your original question... part of the answer is again a distorted view of reality. In this case you have been reading on dotabuff all the ppl at 3k, and 4k who think they suck and knowing that you are yourself somewhat above average you expected to have a comparable MMR. But the truth is you won't because 3.2k is top 10% and 4.1k is top 1%. The information provided by those at 4k etc is wrong. They believe they are bad, but they are mistaken. That is why you are surprised at your "low" MMR. You have adopted the false expectations, the delusions of the elite dotabuff forum posters.
When you were in school, you got to see a full distribution of scores from those who truly sucked in each subject to those who were truly excellent. If you found yourself getting a B- ... and you were a somewhat above average student you would not be shocked. But here you see everyone reporting an A grade and complaining that they got 1 question wrong. You would laugh if you heard nerds whining about their 99/100 score on a test... this is the same thing.
I know how they feel. I have lived it. When I was a freshman in highschool I was the only freshman allowed to take Biology, which was considered an advanced course an normal no freshman are permitted. Out of a class of 160 students I got the highest scores... I missed only 17 questions for the entire year... got a 99.7% for the year. And I was upset about every single one of I missed. At the time, being a selfish child it was easy to think that those received anything less than an A grade were idiots or lazy. But I was wrong. Most of them could have done better... but for some of them achieving a B was more praise worthy than me achieving a 100%.
You can practice dota a lot and learn as much as you like. But for most people, they will never get close to 4k MMR no matter how much they work at it. Do not be discouraged by the illusionary inferiority of elite players. They can't understand how hard executing dota skills and seeing the game is for ordinary players. And they won't until they grow up... which may not come unless and until they really push themselves to reach a goal that is simply beyond their abilities. Then when they fail, having put in everything they will realize that Attitude cannot reach the Altitude which Aptitude Achieves. It is remarkable what hard work can do, but it does have real limits and no one can will themselves past them. This is not the matrix.
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If you want advice it will be much more helpful to you if you try to be specific. A particular hero or a particular game: what can I do better? That is the kind of question that will get a non-troll, less-flame response.
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I have just finished my 10 game trial thing to establish my base MMR, and I am disappointed to find it is only 2449. I won 7/10 of the calibrating matches, and I picked reasonably in all of them (I think I had an even mix of support/carry). As a support I always bought wards, mek, healed temamates etc, so why is my MMR so low? I'm aware that they take into account a relative "difficultness" that is hard to quantify but still, I do not understand how mine can be so low.