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General DiscussionFaceless Void?

Faceless Void? in General Discussion
mike374040

    Thoughts on the hero? At what MMR does he start to drop off? and how's my void games, ive recently been playing him a lot http://dotabuff.com/players/128425804/matches?date=&faction=&hero=faceless-void&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

    also is my item build/skill build for recent games correct? what else should i get and is aghs or refresher a good idea

    Trodlabundin

      looks like you go PT>MOM>DAEDALUS which is trashtier build.

      midas>pt>mjollnir>aghs/bkb>mkb/daedalus/whateeryouneed>tango is usually the way to go.

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      mike374040

        no i dont
        i go pm shield/midas/pt/mom/daed/butterfly/ and by then the game should be over

        mike374040

          wait why mjollnir and not butterfly

          sleave

            in lower lvl pubs just go for PT, MoM, Mjollnir, daedalus and you should be fine

            sleave

              usually i go for AC also as it gives more AS, tankiness and a -low armor aura

              Whatever

                Mjollnir because the bash proccs in chronosphere do so much damage and you'll therefore benefit a lot from the IAS. The AoE will also help you farm. I sometimes build a battlefury if I'm playing against another battlefury carry to keep up in farm.

                Vroksnak

                  midas(if u can) pt-mom-mjollnir-crit/bkb-won

                  Mia

                    He is one of the stronger carries. He can fuck anyone in chrono. You can build pure dps or go some defensive items depending on enemy lineup.

                    Vaikiss`742.

                      trashcan hero

                      prettysure he has like 30% winrate in 5K+ games

                      curse

                        Isn't this "It has to be this way" guy that only plays Void first page having a great deal of success? I keep seeing him win.
                        Edit: http://dotabuff.com/players/129596882

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                        casual gamer

                          dat refresher

                          Wink

                            If you go MoM build youll have no problem getting your MMR up to 4k

                            Strongmind

                              ^ ROFL , Mom build is good even for 6k mmr and not just 4k. Just in higher games Void usually need also bkb ,after mom,mjolnir/dedalus

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                              mr dee

                                shield -> pt -> mom (rapes everything on the map) -> aghs (rapes harder and sooner) -> bkb/mjolnir/etc -> refresher for the lulz

                                vetochka

                                  @/u/
                                  Yeah, he's 24 in eu leaderbords with 6300 mmr so fuck all MoM haters and "void trash tier hero" sayers.
                                  @yann
                                  Not sure if 10 sec AOE disable is funny.

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                                  regulator

                                    people who go aghanim first void just make me facepalm

                                    Zenoth

                                      Poor burning making you facepalm... oh wait he won starladder with that build

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                                      4N1M4L

                                        Pubs =/ Starladder
                                        aghanims first is a joke. you gotta deal some damage inside that chrono unless you have a jakiro or something in your team

                                        vetochka

                                          There is no real point in picking void if teammates haven't already got some damage to put in chrono.

                                          4N1M4L
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                                            Aerium

                                              PMS>treads>MoM>mjollnir>daedlus

                                              EZ game EZ rarez

                                              Fay

                                                mom mjolnir mkb, ggwp

                                                Fay

                                                  well in fact other build are trash
                                                  INB4 FLAME

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                                                  Androgynous

                                                    you should definitely get maelstrom on void, because it's both an early damage item, and a farming item.

                                                    so with mom + maelstrom you have good early/mid solo kill potential, as well as the ability to farm for the late game by going mjollnir next.

                                                    also mom + mael = 1900 + 2700 = 4600 which is comparable to bfury's 4350 cost, but it's much easier to build up, and gives more relevant stats on void (attack speed) while also accomplishing the same thing as BF (aoe damage in chronosphere and for farming).

                                                    so if you don't know how to itemise void (and you don't since you're asking for help), and a guide is suggesting you to get bfury, don't, since mom + maelstrom is safer and more reliable.

                                                    http://dotabuff.com/matches/665984635

                                                    also in this game why did you keep poor man's over treads? i dont care if you have travels, treads still give 30 attack speed and the tread switching can give you a few extra spell casts. the movement speed is just a bonus, without the movement speed the stats that treads give are still worth it's cost.

                                                    travels are supposed to replace your tp scroll, not your upgraded boots. your 6th item replaces your treads.
                                                    normally my inventory goes like this, especially as I split push often:
                                                    1. tp scroll + 4 other items + treads
                                                    2. travels + 4 other items + treads
                                                    3. travels + 5 other items, and I only sell treads when I have the money for the sixth item, because there's no point having an empty slot when it could be 38 more attack speed.

                                                    don't discredit travels as only a 6th slot item, the global teleport allows you to move more efficiently around the map, which increases your GPM. that added with the fact that you don't have to buy tps anymore makes it a late game farming item in a way, and also allows you to create pressure on the map to create space until you can farm your 6th item.

                                                    if you're debating between treads or midas late game, treads are better stat wise. keep the midas in your stash and bring it to you on the courier, since transmute is still useful, but it's attack speed is inferior to your other items.

                                                    pre level 11, 4 points into backtrack near as makes no difference compared to 1 point since you barely have 1000 HP, so get time walk so that you have a longer initiation / escape range, an extra 600 units of travel is basically a force staff, and that makes a diference at levels 8-11.

                                                    so either 4-1-4-2 by 11, or 3-2-4-2, since backtrack's relative increase from 10 to 15% is a 50% increase in survivability on average, which might be more useful than 200 extra time walk range.

                                                    Low Expectations

                                                      Why do people hate on Mom, great farming item.

                                                      Dire Wolf

                                                        Void doesn't ever drop off, he's maybe the strongest carry in the game. As long as you farm well he is good at all levels.

                                                        allidoiswynn

                                                          Why are people hating so much on my mom, my mother did nothing to you guys

                                                          [Lk].Zano

                                                            I can see why some people would hate your (brood)mother though :)

                                                            allidoiswynn

                                                              @zano
                                                              Well played!

                                                              Kryptnyt

                                                                Watch out for Lich counterpicks. Other than that, hero feels very strong. For a hero that doesn't do much in lane, he has good starting damage, so that makes it hard to contest his farm simply through denies, making him good in lower tier games as well as high

                                                                Nemesis

                                                                  void's a great hero at any mmr

                                                                  main 2 weak points: heroes he can't kill in 1 chronosphere (wraith king/doom/etc.) as well as good split push heroes who will rarely fight him 1v1 anyways and also can't kill in 1 chronosphere without some help from allies (naga siren/morphling/terrorblade)

                                                                  shits on heroes like luna/pa/drow/sf/etc.

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