wanna be on it too! (need motivation)
~4513 right now (or smth)
Good luck.
nvm two rares on Benao. He was recently 4900 so I guess he can do it with eas if he just tries harder
btw, how come you and havoc have so huge difference in party mmr? Considering you play/used to play so much together.
ill go set my computer... fml too warm... was like 36 degrees yesterday
and its fucking norway
i wanna dieeeeeeeee
^indeed... It's been impossible for me to play lately cause it's so freaking hot
i was almost 5100 until i started the road of punishment :D
btw it was 4517 not 4513
You should add me too, i just need 1500 points more
Kappa
Ok now seriously i bet on guiri
need 700 for 5k.. dropped 250 mmr in 2 days :))))))))
also betting on guiri
@ b u t t e r b o y s, we are far apart in party coz Havoc queues with loads of real bad players that drag him down lol, we have like a 75% wr together, but I can show you some of his WRs with others...
with his most played friend (316 games) he has a 53.16% wr, I play with the same person and Havoc together, with me (92 games) we have a 76.09% wr.
yh I understand
has to be fun to stack 5 tryhards with havoc considering he's better than his party rating = you get some scrub vs you = easy game
Havoc... Tonks... :d
Well yeah, but we play with some people who are heavily inflated over their MMR, because they have played with us (Bishop for example 4k party 3.3k solo).
Well, that just makes up for Havocs deflated mmr.
Do you have some special kind of relationship with Bishop or something?
I'd never play with a guy with inflated mmr unless I love that guy
Yeah, Havoc knows him IRL and he's hilarious, he's a friend of ours for sure, but he's terrible at Dota.
my rares are on Benao but Guiri is a decent player as well as Sam so I guess luck will be the decider here
Well did have done 3 and 1-2 but realized I was still queuing US east which this early isn't good at all. Queuing anything but EU West at peak times has really fucky MMR differences like from 5.8 to 3.8, pretty fucked up.
Actually this is unfair, as I primarily main supports and Guiri and Benao main carries and mids.....fuck you all.
Bitches better change your minds right now!
In all seriousness Benao was super unlucky with his loss!
OOOOO fuck never que US east during off times, fucking hell the rage and throws r real
btw could you put profilelinks behind each names? would be useful to watch previous games
Yes also its like queuing EU East at 9am in the morning, you will find very few people on actual MMR ranges as equals.
A few notes thus far....
1. So much fucking Void, Sky and Tinker.
2. Each game has a thrower or an abandon.
3. Embers fail at this mmr 100%
4. Its just a bunch of defeatists who call GG after first blood.
5. The lower downs actually think more about their picks
......dunno about mad but I wish I could play mid or carry but I am more nervous to do so in a game without a reliable team.
@Mipsu, this will be the first time I have done any solo's since calibration a year ago, as I am always in some random party with someone. I think I may have done like 4-5 in the total of a year.
Havoc gotto play more active supports
lion is scrub
jakiro is scrub
those 5position heroes wont win you games
go play Vengeful and roam, suddenly you come to 5k
Also your hero builds seems quite odd on several hereos
Havoc superknowledge>execution
idno
also mmr spread is usually very good in the games I play, ~max 200 difference (usually)
Active supports aren't really a thing in these games, any support I play I will be as active as I can but the impact of a support also depends somewhat on team mates.
"^^^Hurri........................nvm :)"
Yeah, i have inflated party mmr and thats why me and Guiri won 50 ranked games in a row :) You can only dream about that kid, but you dont need to be so jelaus, its not good for u =)
Well, just ask your team during pick "anyone wanna roam with me? Venge + Rubick or sandking or something?"
Works wonders usually and by this you can make ur team win all lanes, and that basically mean game.
A lot of people says "don't pick support, blablabla cant win game alone", but that's not true at all.
Supports are usually the guys who wins the game. Just picki something that can do shit.
Active supports is a thing. I win the majority of games as Vengeful where I usually roam from lvl 1. (Not had that much succes with Venge lately because of being tired, etc. though.)
Hard to decide, if Benao decides to play as he played some weeks ago when he went up to 5.1, def hes gonna win. If not, my vote is on Guiri.
I dont think Havoc cares enough about solo mmr or about mmr at all to win this. :D
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Starting MMRs;
Guiri - 4567 - http://dotabuff.com/players/56593403
Havoc - 4562 - http://dotabuff.com/players/90503334
Benao - 4517 - http://dotabuff.com/players/78410961
Current MMRs;
Guiri - 5015 (+448)
Havoc - 4823 (+261)
Benao - 4535 (+18) -> although 25 for this shit http://dotabuff.com/matches/777893504
Highest MMRs during race;
Guiri - 5015
Havoc - 4897
Benao - 4641
First to;
4700 - Guiri
4800 - Havoc
4900 - Guiri
5000 - Guiri
4400 - Benao
4300 - Benao
Havoc Badger and I (and now Benao - I WON'T ADD ANYONE ELSE, DON'T WANT TO TRACK MORE PEOPLE) are having a race to 5k solo MMR, feel free to watch the race, ignore the thread, flame us for being noobs or whatever you want. This actually started a while ago but as we're basically the same MMR right now I thought it would be nice to document it.
I'll also add any game IDs of where we are together
We had this one at the start of our race (before this thread)
http://dotabuff.com/matches/765748688
http://dotabuff.com/matches/771083646
http://dotabuff.com/matches/774781040
http://dotabuff.com/matches/774726186
notable games
http://dotabuff.com/matches/772190441 (with dd sama on the cent - met randomly)
Who do you think will win?
Havoc's Homies; Hatsune Miku, van-art` ✔, Saoulfou, Satellizer, wave, xXx|420Blazeitfgt|xXx, JussiJ, Licecolony
Guiri's Guys; Dorkly, Allison, HotSalza, ╠VeĜ҉a-笼愤怒, [Lk].Zano, Letthesunshinebaby, dd-sama, Bruised Wayne, Szotyi3, X6, Fractal, Raspharus, Hurricane Hurricane,
Benao's Boys; Sam Fuckin' Pekinpah, wutacarry, Zenoth, Vaeldiithia, lolcough,
My Summary;
So, having made it I thought I'd make a small write up about my experiences on the climb, the MMR system, the people and (hopefully) some advice on how to get up yourself - and believe me I tried a lot of different things.
So to start with, climbing MMR is stressful. If you believe you belong at a higher level you will feel critical of every mistake your team mates make. Generally speaking the majority of players believe they are held back by their team mates and the fabled forced 50% win rate etc. This means games where you lose are stressful and can create bad knock on effects (When I was 4989 MMR I lost 6 in a row due to stress! which meant I probably was the person people were getting mad at!). The thing is, you really must remember this, everyone is human. If you lose a game you musn't get too annoyed. Especially if it wasn't your fault. If you played badly, watch the replay, learn from your mistakes. If you know you played well and it wasn't your fault at all, go watch an episode of Adventure Time or something to calm down. Bad blood creates bad games and, no matter how good you are, you can never prevent things like this;
http://dotabuff.com/matches/767465401
Huskar. What a guy.
The only thing you can do is realise it's not your fault and ignore it. Move on. Yes your time has been wasted but if you're angry you'll play sub-optimal and you'll probably lose your next game, and the next one, and the next one. Suddenly a wasted 30-40 minutes has become a wasted day. And believe me, this can be SO disheartening when you're trying to climb MMR.
Secondly, Solo MMR requires a completely different approach to team MMR. When I started the race I was ~4.4k Solo and 5.4k Party (I think at one point my Party was 1.1k ahead of my solo) I was winning ~80% of my party games because it was all I was doing. I learned how to play in a stack very effectively. When I started my solo race, I didn't climb particularly fast in the early days because I was used to playing in the same mentality as when I was stacking. I was relying on team-mates to make plays that never happened, I was expecting TPs that never came, more importantly, I was talking in all chat and being told to shut up. Solo MMR requires solo plays. In my penultimate game to 5k I played against a solo offlane LC when I was support Silencer. I was supporting our safelane Wraith King and we managed to kill her 3/4 times within the first 6 or so minutes. Here is the game http://dotabuff.com/matches/795209101 The reason we could do it so well is because NO ONE came to help her quickly enough. Remember, if co-ordination is bad on your team, it's probably bad on the enemies too! But you have to be the one who makes the play, don't wait for your team-mates as they may never come. Ironically, since focusing on solo my party has dropped ~200 points!
This brings me on to my next point, what hero to play? Here is a copy of this weeks (almost exclusively) solo games
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dZTye2h.png[/IMG]
As you can see, I've had moderate success with junglers, fairly poor success with carries and phenomenal success with supports that can scale well - DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE WITCH DOCTOR WITH AGHS! So I will say this, forget the whole idea that only going mid is the only way to go, this ONLY works when you're comfortably better than the opponent and you deserve maybe 1k more MMR than you currently have. What you should do is look to cover as much of the game as you possibly can. With Witch Doctor you can play early support, you can roam well (with a stun and maledict combo) and if you do the roaming well you'll get money and you can save for an aghs, I usually had my aghs around the 20 minute mark. At which point you can almost solo win a team fight, the only thing you need is another primary target in your own team - but you're on support, this SHOULD happen. Here are some examples where I supported and carried with Witch Doctor
http://dotabuff.com/matches/791533357
http://dotabuff.com/matches/791162630
http://dotabuff.com/matches/787326488 (this one being a great example, highest Hero Damage, Hero Healing, respectable Tower Damage AND I'm solo support)
But there are other heroes that can do it also, Abaddon makes great use of the chaos that is solo queue and Silencer can also scale phenomenally well. As a rule I'd say avoid hard supports like CM as you're entirely reliant on your team, in the same breath I'd say avoid hard carries like AM, Spectre etc as you're again entirely reliant on your team. Treat your team like retards, you have to hold their hand and guide them through the entire process, how to lane, how to harass, how to carry, how to push, how to not die. But don't tell them, they don't like being told their retards, show them.
The turning point for me in my MMR climb (people may remember I dropped ~300 points from 4.8k->4.5k before climbing up again) came when I talked less. I shed my party MMR skin and embraced my new solo persona. I pressed Mute all chat. Before this, I couldn't help but comment on the game, I couldn't help but advise my team how to play, but amazingly people don't like being told by strangers that they've made a mistake. In total silence I managed to go on a really nice streak of maybe 5-6 wins in a row. However, I'm not advising that you do this, there comes a point when you need to say something. What I recommend is that if, like me, you normally can't help but comment, TRY to play a game with All Mute on. See what happens. Not only did it provide me with a few pleasant stress free games it also showed me that I don't have to comment on everything everyone does. In fact, sometimes It's beneficial if I don't. I even had a reasonably large number (about 10 in total) of people adding me after games saying they appreciated my style of play and wanted to play more, I wasn't even talking to these people!! What? People in solo queue LIKED me?
I realise this is dragging so I'll sum up with a TL;DR paragraph;
Guiri's tips for rising MMR;
- When it comes to communicating, less is more
- Versatile heroes > niche heroes
- Hard Support/Hard Carry is a no go
- Stress creates bad games, take a break after every loss, and even after a few wins. Your performance will inevitably drop if you over-play (case in point - BogiDotO)
- Your own mistakes will teach you far more about the game than anything else, be humble enough to spot them
- Look at the long term, not the short term. You may lose a few, but this doesn't mean you're never going to rise, like I said, I hit ~4800 before dropping back to where I started at 4.5k. I almost felt like throwing in the towel and quitting on the race, I knew Havoc was ~300 ahead of me, but I didn't give up. I went back at it with a positive attitude and almost managed to maintain ~70% WR in solo all the way back up to 5k. (the image above shows some games before my win streak AND a few shitty party games I played)
- People are assholes and will flame you, ignore them. People can also be nice and praise you, don't let this get to your head either
- Generally speaking, the only one who should be able to judge you is you
- Don't give up if things don't start great, never be afraid to take a step back in order to take two forward later on
- Finally, you don't need a higher MMR to feel warranted, solo MMR requires a different mindset to team play, maybe you excel in stacks, try find one.
Guiri