I don't think you understand what the word ignorance means. Ignorance implies a lack of knowledge, so what knowledge of a matchmaking is Valve lacking of? What I'm guessing you mean is that Valve doesn't want to change their mm system because they are ARROGANT, not ignorant.
On topic: Valve a not ignorant or arrogant, but I'm too lazy to type the massive list reasons why you're having a hard time with your shitty team. So here's a copy and paste of Dotabuff themselves explaining why the the system isn't imbalanced:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/wtw5z/people_believe_matchmaking_is_imbalanced_but_its/
theMichael, no shit dude, you always get braindeads 3 or 4 times in a row after a winning streak. This cannot be explained by anything but the matchmaking itself.
Thats the purpose of MM to have 50% win rate. the more games you play the closer you will come towards that 50%.
i think u win more, u get into higher mmr, so get against higher skilled players, and they stomp ur team
Pubstomper gets butthurt when he climbs the ladder. Cry more you little biggot.
no stat is good :D had pudge solo mid who lost vs meepo and no stats was recorded im happy cuz of this shit actually :D
Had a 10 game losing streak recently where the skill level between the teams were noticeably different but I think its working as intended? I often solo que for games so you just have to roll the dice.
complaining about randoms on your team...rofl... if you are not retarded, just gather 4 people and play with your own fucking team.
but wait, you are the most pathetic poster on this forum, whining whore nr1: no wonder, nobody wants to queue with you.
faggot.
Worst MM sistem ever. Tought HoN has bad, but this is worse. 90% of games ruined at picks. How can i get higher win rate when im stuck in games with %&*!!&%. win rate should be visable.
in order to have people on your lvl you must queue for 15 minutes.if you want tryhard picks get a stuck and play team match making
The thing is not that you are getting into higher bracket, but just you get worse teammates that feed like 0-10.
Dunno who is reponsible for mm in d2 but he lacks brain.
Just play CM only... If you really feel like the MM system is doing you wrong then put yourself in a position that makes the most sense... In CM "most" of the players are playing for the win... You gotta understand AP is clearly just for fun, people do whatever they want. I know the que time for CM is like 10 minutes on average, but hey i can honestly say 8 outta 10 games are good, where as half the AP games are terrible and maybe 1 outta 10 are GGs... And if u get a complete noob as a captain, bad picks and no game plan just report him... I'd rather play 3 GGs a day rather then 10 terrible games... Come on man!!!
theres no big difference between ap and cm russians and other rejects insta pick carries and mid, game after game
Well hell no point in play this game for a long time then, Take a break... wait a year for the game to die out where only die hard players will come to enjoy team game play... I remember dota 1 going through the same type of competitiveness issues... for a long time you need bots to help you get into the same game your friends were in... after that era of the game... "most" of the games were GGs, and thats just it you gotta be patient with these noobs... BUT SHIT STAY AWAY FROM CM!!! LOL
ez, pick broken heroes like drow, pl. Or solo ur way to vicotry with ursa/sk/doom/alchemist.
@skynet Not always applicable. I can show you a replay where one person totally owned whereas his other 4 teammates fed. 1v5 doesn't really work unless the 5 are idiots.
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told u
"theres no big difference between ap and cm russians and other rejects insta pick carries and mid, game after game"
right now i would say one decent game out of 15 played is reasonable amount to expect
Based on your stats it seems that you are best at ganking heros and have trouble matching the same level of play when you try other things. Its especially odd that you have ~40% win on sniper, your most played hero. If you are not doing well with sniper, why do you keep picking it? I guess maybe you just enjoy playing sniper.
The only way to ensure you have 5 players of similar skill level on your team is to que as 5. If you use 4,3,2,1 you will get the same results. You will win several games and MM will balance by filling your other player slots with worse and worse feeders until you start losing.
The system can't balance by matching you against better and better oppenents unless you que with all 5.
Relentless, I own mid like 80% of time I go there. I sup better than sups that are playing with me 4 out of 5 games. My average gpm as a carry is 600 gpm. Im better as almost anyone in my team usually. But it is not cuz Im godlike, just mm sends retards in my team and this results as a loss.
hey mr.pro, then how about you get a bunch of buddies that play the game well, and play with then? Past mid skill level, you are considered experienced enough, and you need to start playing with friends to avoid getting stuck with bad pubs.
Considering your record of 31-48 on sniper, maybe you didnt own mid as much as you thought. You get ok farm and have a good KDA, but...that still loses the game. 40% win rate on any hero but those that really suck in pubs (ie meepo, slark, brood) means you are either bad at the hero or basically playing it wrong. Its not like this is just a few games. Its your most played hero.
It could be that you didnt realize that sniper just sucks at solo mid because he can't turn an advantage into ganking the side lanes and controling runes. So you win in cs, maybe even kill the opposite mid at level 6...but the other guy ganks and crushes your sidelanes and your team gets rolled. It could be that you are exagerating, fooling yourself into thinking you played better than you really did. For instance your highest gpm is on luna 526 (only 3 games, all wins), nowhere near 600. And sniper is only 347 gpm. The average player gpm for sniper is 353 so you last hit slightly worse than average. But the average win rate for sniper is 48% far better than your 40.5%.
Given these facts you should seriously consider that you are making some important mistakes with sniper on a regular basis. Maybe you could watch replays of a someone who wins a lot with sniper and see what is diffrent. My KDA is slightly lower than yours (4.09 while you have 4.42). My farm is slightly better (373 gpm for me). But I have 64% win. Did I just get lucky? Maybe so, or maybe I am doing something diffrent.
Im sorry, but who in the world told you I go mid as sniper? Sniper cant be outplayed mid by almost any hero. When I play sniper Im trying to farm and usually I outfarm my team, but it doesnt help when my mid sucks and there are 0 wards on the map.
Once more, I can have even 300 gpm as sniper, but in a particular game when all my teammates have like 100 gpm I am still better, dont you think?
What should I change in my tactics when I almost always outfarm any in my team as sniper, for example? Farming at 600 gpm when my team sits on 200 gpm?
Another example of what Im talking about: my last game I was gyro and outfarmed everyone in team. (Considering the fact that Im not an afk-farmer). But I had shitty russian puck at mid who lost like 8 levels to enemies' qop. Ofc they won. How the hell should I win such games? Become Dendi?
Forgive my presumption. You were talking about carrying and soloing mid and I was talking sniper. I thought you were making a connection.
Anyway, reality is that your gpm on sniper is a little below average on the hero. So while your gpm in any given game of sniper will be higher than your team, it may be that you are not farming fast enough to be relevant. It could be that you lose while still farming because you missed to many lasthits. Sniper is very weak early and if you can't get a lothars or a manta up quickly its hard to really have any impact. Consequently you will only win the games that your team would have won no matter what you did. (ie 40%)
In short merely outfarming your team is not enough. You have to farm enough to make up for them. It could be that you don't lasthit well enough to do that on sniper. Based on your experience I would guess you may just not think about it enough, since you have plenty of practice playing the hero. It may be that you get lazy and autoattack if no one is contesting the farm.
One thing that might help on sniper, its easy to stack up camps and then flash farm them with shrapnel. If you are not doing this, start. If you are, look for more opportunities.
Or maybe you are getting a weak build. Many snipers get lifesteal to soon instead of dmg. Don't get lifesteal early it delays the point where you are powerfull enough to fight. For example at 300 gpm, getting HotD first, delays your first real dps item by about 6 min. MoM first does give you some dps, but you can't fight with it unless the other team sucks because one stun with MoM on and you are dead.
Another possibility is that to break out of lower skill play you have to ward and carry both. But keep in mind unless you have a que of 5 players you can still get bad players on your team even in Very High.
Valve is known to do very stranges decisions and won't listen to community at all. If they fix anything, it'll be when "real" game is launched.
Thanks Relentless, but I usually get almost all lh as sniper. "Another example of what Im talking about: my last game I was gyro and outfarmed everyone in team. (Considering the fact that Im not an afk-farmer). But I had shitty russian puck at mid who lost like 8 levels to enemies' qop. Ofc they won. How the hell should I win such games? Become Dendi?" Still didnt get an answer to this.
TLDR: game was lost at laning phase. Mostly batrider's fault.
Ok, first problem is: This is an all random game and you had the bad luck of your beastmaster having 1 game in 1400 games on that hero going in. He lost the only other game of beastmaster too. Beastmaster got soul-ring and tried to ancient stack. He didnt ward correctly for it and he didnt know the timing (which changed since he last played beast). And Rubic ward blocked him as well once he saw his build. At this point an experienced beastmaster would have left the lane...but this guy never plays it.
You had a great start, partly because you played gyro very well and partly because you got to lane with that 84% win Venomancer (one of his best heroes) who outplayed CM and UD so hard it made your job very easy. Puck was actually winning mid at the start. Since beast was feeding bot and UD feeding you top, they roamed mid and secured a regen rune for QOP plus UD tower dove on Puck to give QOP back the advantage.
Veno then left top to compensate and ganked mid twice to save puck and kill QOP, but that left you unprotected. Meanwhile batrider was jungling. This was really the main problem for your early game. While bat can jungle well, he would have changed bot lane from feeder beast to alch can't farm and might die...but he jungled instead and your lanes failed forcing movement of veno to support.
With random pubs this sort of problem is probably impossible to read, and change in time. Especially in an all random game. But if bat had laned bot with beast instead of jungling I bet you would have won the game, and won it by a lot. Batrider is a laning hero so dangerous he is first ban in many pro games, the only time jungling with him is smart is when you abandon the long lane against a strong tri-lane that can't be faced. Instead bat's first contribution is at 8:30 where he ganks top, but really you and veno could have done it without him.
The failure of beastmaster in the bot lane resulted in Puck also failing mid despite out playing QOP on a 1v1 basis. This snowballed into your eventual loss because Puck, Beast, and Bat were all behind and 2 of 3 lanes were lost cs wise.
What could you have done?
#1) Play with friends instead of solo que
#2) Don't play all random
#3) See bad lanes and say something...who knows maybe bat goes bot and you win.
I have kept track of Jungle-axe games for instance. I have now participated in 5 wins and 28 losses when my stupid axe player jungled. Mentioning this fact whenever someone picks axe leads to far fewer jungle-axe games than I would suffer otherwise. Many people do not recognize that with the exception of Enigma, Enchantress, and Chen ALL heroes that can jungle are better in the lane and should only jungle if the laning situation is so bad you have to dodge it (ie 3 stun tri-lane). Also any hero that does jungle should gank early and often (ie 2 times by 4 minutes).
Recapping...even though you were up gold, xp, kills, and towers at 10 min you had already lost. As good as your start was, alchs was even better. And alchemist is very hard to kill, while gyro is not. Mid game Venomancer power ran out, he had been doing pretty much all the winning early, and so you lost more fights than won until it was obvious your team had lost the game. On a side note rubic stacked every chance he got making alchs farm far far easier than yours. Encourage your supports to stack for you. Thank them when they do and they will keep thinking to do it.
Also CM took as little farm as possible and still did her job, while bat stole every bit from you he could manage and put it into expensive items he did not have the skill to use correctly. Puck was merely focused, made few mistakes and not important ones. Beastmaster fed early but recovered, bat played like a moron all game long.
Relentless, that is another problem. I usually have a useless wood hero, while enemies have a superb wood guy.
is it that hard to make friends on dota2? carry your team mate even if they are retarded. Pick a mid and stomp it ! goodluck
My last game - bat sucking top as hard as he can, mid sucking as hard as he can. 9 level stormspirit 1-5 at 15 min. Can my teammates be worse, fucking Valve?
The problem is not in MM and Valve. Dota is a teamgame and one person can not influence game so much. Thats why u have ~50% WR. It is a probability theory in action.
please prove this probability theory...i am very interested.
here one equation i know :)
your chance to win = 50% - 10%(#of russians in your team).
so if you have 2 ruski in team your chance to win is 50 - 10(2) = 30%
There is always ~50% chance to win if u are near average skill in pub. And even Russians cant disaprove this=) Because next game these Russians will be in opposite team and u can win them (if u can). According to ur logic next game u can have no Russians in ur team and 2 vs u => Then ur chance to win is 70%=)))
My chance to win by myself is higher than 50% idiots. Its matchmaking who makes my chance lower. Still dont get how Valve cant fix this shit, they do want to make newbs happy.
yesterday W8 - L2, today W1 L6
its not even about what I do anymore, there are just too many retards in this game zz
wrong. your chance to win is always 50%. not high not less. unless other parameters are included e.g #of russians in team or skill level or hero picks or anything else.
if you have a problem with mm and valve you can try the following steps. preferable in the order stated.
1)remove dota
2)remove steam
3)play solitaire or minesweeper
4)profit
alternatively you can get do something with your life, like say become a programmer and make something better then these valve "shitters" came up with.
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Really, such ignorance is impossible. After winning some games playing ap only I changed to sd/bd/ar modes and ofc got a team of retards as usual 3 times. Mm again wants to bring me to his lovely 50%.